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to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Matthew. How's it going? Hey, good. How about you? I'm glad we got you on here. Hey, man, I'm glad to be here. Really am. It's been, I don't know, it's been quite a while. We were just talking about the last episode. I think it was Glory in the Grind. I believe it was the last one. Yeah. So, wow. I wanted to have you and your brother, Brian, who's an evangelist. I wanted to have you guys both on. Yeah, that'd be cool. Hopefully we still do that sometime. We need to. We need to. That'd be fun. Yeah. He'll be what? He'll be back. Will he be here? Oh, he'll be here in October. Yeah. Yeah, for forward. Hmm. Maybe we can work something out. There we go. There we go. Yeah. All right. Well, what

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are

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we talking about today? Well, today we're talking about the main Means to an end. Sometimes having these goals is okay. It's okay to have some of those goals. We've done it before and we'll probably do it again. And having clear objectives of any kind is crucial to growth. You have to have that. But I think that an excessive focus on the outcomes or those goals, that can sometimes be counterproductive. And so that's what we kind of want to talk about today is shifting our focus to the processes that we can put in place. And then that will actually lead to achieving those goals and and being sustainable.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Yeah, very true. Because I mean, something that comes to mind with this topic is when you set goals and you have expectations of these goals you're going to hit, sometimes we can try to do these, in a sense, unrealistic goals within a very short amount of time. Guilty. Raise my hand. We all do it. We all do it. And it's never wrong to have goals that are really high up and we're stretching and we're doing what we can to achieve those goals. But I would say the part that gets negative is when we don't hit that goal within the time we think we should, because then we're hard on ourself and we're like, man, you know, we might as well just quit. We didn't hit our goal. And I mean, that's with a lot of things. If you're like, you know, exercising, sometimes you're like, man, I want to hit my certain goal there and you don't see the results right away. And then it's hard. Instead of focusing on the process, you know, and that's the same thing with our signing school here, you know?

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah. Well, and that's one of the things we were just talking before the podcast. And I was saying that we've produced or, or yeah, I guess produced an episode every Friday for a year now. Yeah. That's awesome. And that's kind of cool that we've, you know, and we've had some promos and stuff in between, but we basically every Friday we've produced an episode and I'm only one of them was a solo.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Wow. Well, maybe I guess if you count the highlight episode, you know, the anniversary, but anyway, so that to me is like kind of an example. I didn't really think about that when I was writing the notes, but it's kind of an example of Yeah. It was a, it

SPEAKER_02 3:51

was a consistency. It's, it's kind of like the, uh, the farmer who just goes out and does his work. He knows that, you know, there's going to be an increase. Uh, you know, he may, he really doesn't know necessarily how big the increase is going to be. What, what, uh, you know, what's going to grow, what's, what's not going to do good that year. Um, but he just keeps out consistency. And then, um, you know, with that consistency, when, when the harvest comes, man, there you go. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Here's your harvest then. think that intensity or, you know, that over the top is, I think it's sometimes overrated. It's something we can point at and be like, wow, look at him. He's so intense. I mean, going back to the workout example in the gym, you know, there's a guy that goes to the gym I go to and he, I mean, he's in, he's stronger than I am, but he's not in very great shape. He's got a belly and stuff, but he's so loud. Everybody, everybody's

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annoyed

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by him. You know, and he's just like, you know, letting everybody know he's struggling. But anyway, so I think intensity sometimes is overrated because you could point at it right now and you can be like, oh, wow, he is giving his all. And consistency is underrated. Absolutely. Because nobody sees you in the dark praying. Nobody sees you early morning working out. Yeah. Before he was ever in the spotlight with Goliath. So anyway, I think that those, those two things, you know, intensity is important, but I think it's overrated and consistency is very much underrated.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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If we put the focus on consistency that we put, you know, on that, that we, that we have put on intensity, it's, it's going to be a game changer. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Well, so for the notes I have, we're talking about this pretty much everything we talk about on this podcast, but today a lot of what we talk about is going to have a heavy application on personal, on individual, on personal. But we are talking about for our team, developing these processes. And so what I put is cultivate consistency and continuous improvement. How do you like that alliteration? CCC. Yes. I should have had something else for improvement. So cultivate consistency and continuous improvement. And so I put develop regular routines of prayer, both Both individually and as a team. And we have to be intentional about it. Yes.

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Yes.

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And so I think that this is probably something we could do better at as a team overall. I feel like most of our people, not all, probably some of them don't as much as they should. And maybe it should be a requirement. I don't know. We're not going to get into that right now. But I think most of our staff probably has a personal, consistent prayer life. But probably we could do better on having more team prayer. Absolutely. Uh, and I mean, no, I'm not like insulting this, but I'm not just talking about like a, a meeting start prayer, you know, like, Oh, let's pray. And then, okay, now let's go into the meeting. But like maybe setting up a prayer meeting even, or something for the team, you know, that this is, this is a Sunday school thing. And so I, yeah, I think we did it one. There has been a long time. So yeah, there's, you know, magic and disasters. There's a disaster right there. We need to work on that.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Yeah, no, absolutely. Um, you know, I feel like prayer, uh, Now we've just in our church and with our conference that we just had in August, you know, prayer is it's been talked about recently a lot, but it's it's such a powerful, powerful tool that we have. And yet we don't use it as much as we we could use if we could really see the power of it, you know, and that's comes through using it. Yeah. You know, it really, really has an incredible impact. And the other thing, too, is with Sunday school. is sometimes we can get the mindset where, hey, we're just going to Sunday school. We're going to teach Bible lesson and entertain some kids for a little bit. Just go in and maybe half asleep and all that. But when we're intentional and we realize, hey, this is actually, there's some spiritual dynamics to what we're doing. We're making a difference. Even with these kids. And just like we want to see adult guests and visitors get the Holy Ghost, we want to see these young kids get the Holy Ghost. And And that's all spiritual. We've got to come focused through prayer and through, you know, that's going to definitely.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yeah. And that is one of the things, I don't know, I might be stomping on my notes ahead, but that is one of the things about this whole concept with a focus on the process more than the goals is, as I mentioned, we were talking before the podcast, the Holy Ghost is God's department. Yes. That's supernatural, right? That's God's department. He gives the Holy Ghost. But we can lay the groundwork. We can set the environment through our actions that can lead to people getting the Holy Ghost in Sunday school. And so that's where I think it's so powerful. It's so incredible. I just was mentioning the other night, we had a boy from Sunday school get the Holy Ghost in church Sunday night. And I feel like that we can take some of that credit. Because it was, I feel like it was a result even of that Sunday morning, but even more than that is a result of a culmination of Sunday schools, you know, coming together. And so there was a framework going on.

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And something that comes to mind with this is the apostle Paul. He's, he's wrote when he's writing, I can't remember exactly what book off the top of my head, but he says that, you know, he plants, you know, another waters, but ultimately it's God that brings increase. Increase. Yes. And so that's something we have to realize. And a lot of times being in the mindset, well, God's just going to bring the increase, but God's also expecting us to plant and he's expecting us to water.

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And

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when we do that, we lay the framework. God's like, okay, this person, they're, they're at the right place. Their, their heart's right with me. You know, they're, they've repented. They're, they know how to seek for the Holy ghost, you know, and they're at a position where I can give them that gift.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Yeah. And I think to, to try to put it in a perspective, like a quote unquote natural perspective, think about like when somebody wants help, if they want my help or, you know, if they want your help and okay, you're a drummer and you teach a lot of drum lessons. If somebody is, wants you to show them, you know, how to do a paradiddle or, or how to do, you know, some kind of rudiment. Yeah. And they haven't put any effort into it. Maybe you gave them a lesson. They didn't do anything all week. I'm And so versus the one that has struggled and maybe the first one's talented, more talented, but the one that struggled and push and, and tried, boy, you really want to help that one. Yes. Right. I mean, now, you know, you're 30 minute drumless and you're going to go 45 minutes because you just, they're, they're, they're just trying so hard and you want to help them. Yeah. I think that that natural tendency, natural sense. I think that, that, I mean, God is supernatural, but I think that, that element can work in the same, you know, that analogy. God respects our efforts.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

God honors our efforts. Absolutely. I mean, we see that all throughout the new Testament when Jesus is walking through, you know, people getting his attention, you know, blind Bartimaeus, there was, there was expectation. Yeah. It wasn't some easy deal. I mean, the woman, you know, working with the issue of blood, pressing away through the crowd, you know, God does have expectations and man, this is, gets into something that's been on my mind a lot recently is that very concept of God's expectations. You know, lots of people like to live through life and think that God doesn't have any expectations for us. So we can expect God to do all this stuff, but what about what He requires of us? What He requires of us? Our reasonable service. Yeah. And bringing it back to this, you know, what we're talking about here with, you know, them receiving the Holy Ghost, you know, if we're not prayed up and we're not focused and we just come into Sunday school, Um, you know, I, I, the kids can get the Holy ghost, you know, they can open themselves up and stuff, but it's going to make the process a lot easier if we're ready and we know how to lead them to that point. We can tell them, Hey, you know, this is, this is how you need to do it. This is how you need, you need to be hungry for it. And, um, you know, that's going to ultimately come on us having that, that personal devotion ourselves and being able to teach them, share it with them.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Absolutely. Yeah. We have to, we have to put that effort forward. Yeah. And I think that God does, on an individual level, God expects things from us, like you just said. And then whether you're a Sunday school leader of a team, or even if you're just a Sunday school teacher, you are now a leader of these kids. And so now that expectation is even more.

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I'm

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convinced, you know, you use those examples of blind Bartimaeus, the woman with the issue of blood, all these things. I'm convinced that there's stories we don't know about because the effort wasn't put forth. And there's There's stories that just they had no climactic ending because they're still blind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Yeah. I mean, we know the story where Jesus goes into, I want to say it was his home city, Nazareth. I could be mistaken. So don't tell me on this. And he goes to do miracles. Yeah. And Bible says that he couldn't do many works because they're unbelief. And you read other passages where he sees their faith. Well, how do you see their faith? You see their faith. And James says that you'll I'll show you my faith by my works. And so it takes that work. It takes that effort on our part to show our faith. It takes laying the framework so that God can move, so that he can work. It's kind of like if you're building a house and you're going to hire roofers, you've got to at least have the structure up before they can go out there and start.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah, you've got to have some things in place for them to come out and do their thing. Yeah, I've heard it talked about before, and I think this is interesting. concept, but the pool of Bethesda and how Jesus healed one man. Why didn't he heal more? Yeah, he could have healed them all. Yeah, we don't know, but I mean, he healed one man. So, yeah. It is interesting. So, yeah, the other thing is, so I wrote this down, a process-focused approach naturally lends itself to continuous improvement. And so rather than fixating on a distant goal or even something like, you know, that God gives, like the Holy Ghost, we can concentrate concentrate on making these small, regular enhancements to our processes. And this leads to like a cumulative gain. So there's a few books I'll reference here. Darren Hardy, The Compound Effect, a powerful book, very, very good book. And he talks, there's so many examples he uses, but he basically is talking about the effect of compounding these habits. You do these small things over and over and over and over. John C. Maxwell, in an interview not too long ago, I listened to, I think it was a podcast or something, and he said, and of course, he's a pretty incredible guy, John Maxwell's a leadership guru, but he was, and he was being humble, and he was kind of joking, but he said something like this. He said, it's not that I'm great at anything, it's just that I do these few things every single day, and I've done it for 60-something years. I think he's 77 now. So... And he said something, he files things. I remember reading about that in some of his books. He's written, I think, 90 books. Oh, wow. He files like quotes and stuff. And I don't know what his system is. It's probably digital now, but he used to, it was a physical file. Wow. So he files things and he takes time to think. He even talks in one of his books about a thinking chair. And then he, and he writes. And so he, and obviously he does the things, but he said he does these three things every single day. Wow. And so it's cumulative. He does this every day and it builds up over time. And then the other book that I just thought of when we were starting is James Clear, Atomic Habits. Okay. And so these are all about habits, but James Clear, Atomic Habits, this is kind of the subject he talks about actually, is he talks about, what's something he says I really like? He says, winners and losers have the same goals, but they have different processes. That's good. So I don't know if he says they have different processes but that's basically and he said instead of saying I want to accomplish X he talks I'm pretty sure it's him talks about your identity and he says I am the kind of person that does X so instead of saying like I want to lose a certain amount of weight or I want to you know gain a certain amount of muscle using the workout analogy again he says instead focus on I am the kind of person that works out every day so yeah that's pretty good you know and so If we look at that as our Sunday school, what kind of Sunday school are we? Yeah, we want, again, the numbers of people getting the Holy Ghost and all of these things. And it's not just about that. I had a conversation with Brother Booker recently about so many of these conferences or services, people want to know that number. And it's fine, but there's so much that happens. You can have an incredible Sunday school, children's church, whatever you conference, where no child gets the Holy Ghost, but there's still Yeah, absolutely. what I've done and we've done this before, but it's very focused. So we had a verse for three weeks in a row. Okay. And then we're switching to a new one and then we're going to review two of them, you know, and they're not very long. Yeah. And so I think the whole theme, I think is only, it's either three or four verses. And that's like what you just said. The idea is to kind of force that review. And that's good.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

And yeah, I brought that up because, you know, like you said, lots of the emphasis could be like, man, how many, how many got the Holy ghost? And that, It is incredible. It's awesome. Oh, yeah. But then also we could ask the question, man, how many are, they're learning the word of God. They're memorizing

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scripture verses. Yeah, which is a goal. They're learning

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stories in the Bible. Yes. You know, these are things that are going to stick with them that later down the road, you know, it's very likely some verses will come up in their mind when they're older. Yeah. You know, that were taught to them in Sunday school and that's valuable.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah. Well, and the connection, like I said about the boy that got the Holy Ghost in Sunday school or in Sunday night church. Yeah. There's also a connection. I love it. when the preacher preaches something and we just did that Bible story and the kids like whip their head around, you know, looking for staff and they perk up, you know, like even my seven-year-old, he actually pays attention a lot better now, but even when he was younger, like six or something, he'd be like coloring or something in church, you know, and shame on me, but he'd be playing or something and then hear something we did in Sunday school, you know, hear about David or, you know, just whoever, his head would perk up I mean, look up, you know, and so it benefits even in the, we call it big church, you know, there's that connection there.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Yeah, it's true. But yeah, that's, I mean, you know, there's lots of things we do in Sunday school, but some people might consider, oh, memory verse is just a small thing, but that's, it builds up. It accumulates. It stacks one upon another where they're learning these verses and stuff. And that's with lots of, lots of things.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, we're doing, I know you're pretty involved in the Bible quizzing too. And so, um, and my son is, uh, so far doing pretty good. You know, last year he was struggling pretty bad. So we'll see just started, but he's doing pretty good and we're trying to be consistent with him, but he started, you know, and now he's learning how to read too. So that helps a lot knowing how to read. But I think that, I mean, so my wife, for example, my wife was raised in church, went to a Christian school. She knows so many verses and I don't know, I don't even know if she ever did bible quizzing but she knows so many verses just like off the top of her head she can just quote random verses and and sometimes she might not even know the reference most of the time she does but sometimes she might not even know the reference but she knows the scripture the king james version of the scripture you know she knows it yeah because of things that were instilled

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uh you know her bringing up a kid yeah it's amazing it absolutely that's the thing i really uh enjoy um about being a part of the bible quizzing is you do see it you see it add up and You get to see six and seven year olds be able to memorize, you know, uh, tons of verses and it's, it's so cool. And, uh, you know, these verses will, uh, during the preaching and although someone says a verse and it's like, Hey, like you said, perking up, but it's just a, it's that continual building upon building, you know? Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 22:07

absolutely. Um, yeah, I kind of, we've been stomping all over the notes a little bit, but, uh, you know, you're talking about framework, but one of the things I did want to mention is I put it out there, flexible systems. And so when you put an emphasis on process, it creates this a system, I guess maybe culture is a better word, I don't know. But we've talked about before where so we're pretty heavily script driven. I mean, we don't do dialogue, it's bullet point script, but we run a script and we run timers and all this stuff. But if God moves, the script we talk about all the time, the script goes out the window. And so I think that on the same hand, on the same token, if we can have these systems or this backbone in place of understanding, okay, there's this process that we're trying to create. There's this atmosphere or environment that we're trying to create that is conducive to kids receiving the Holy Ghost, conducive to kids learning about the Bible. It's all of these things. And if I'm trying to explain it, how I see it, if we have that framework in our head or as a team, we understand that, then yeah, we can have a script, but now all of a sudden we're doing offering but we have this context that we're pulling from in our head and we realize that yeah today is offering but this fits really good with the lesson that we're doing today or this will this can point to alter call as we talk about all the time and so I think you know having that system and you can you can now be flexible that's good and you can change things you can crumple the script up and throw it out the window because every the team knows these are the processes that we do yeah

SPEAKER_02 23:42

this is what we do yeah I like that yeah having the framework work to be flexible and stuff yeah that's really good

SPEAKER_01 23:49

yeah and then I the last thing I have we're running out of time I know you gotta go to practice but is biblical education I put so here's the thing is we I put don't be afraid to teach biblical concepts and what I mean by that is people you know well of course this is Sunday School podcast of course you're not afraid to teach biblical concepts but here's what I mean is we use we use a lot of comedy oh yeah I mean we have so much fun you know it's a blast and we're not going to get rid of it. And we've talked about on the podcast before about trying to balance it and stuff. All that's important. And so we, and then we're, we're heavily theme driven. We do, we do themes and we have in it and we're interactive. So like, uh, we're out here and you can't see it, but behind Matthew, there's a playground, a couple of slides, climbing wall. And so we do, we do these quote missions and the kids get to go out and go through the maze up there and go down the slides and do all this stuff. And they're on a mission or we'll do battles in the Bible story and they get to be the soldiers or whatever. So we have comedy, we have interactivity, heavy theme driven. We do theme skits. We got costumes. I got these crazy suits I wear. Oh yeah. We have, we have for our Bible stories, we do full costumed actors and this is every week. We do this every Sunday and which is a little bit unique in a lot of the Sunday schools around, you know, in the Habsburg movement. But we do this every Sunday. And so, I'm saying all of that, not to say all good on us, but I'm just saying we do all of these things and they're really cool. But don't be afraid to get serious and teach. You're not going to scare the kids off, especially if we have all these other things. But get serious and teach a concept like, hey, you know what? God doesn't like it when you lie. And just get real and don't be afraid to teach on those things.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. My man, Yeah. Um, cause they are, it kind of helps, um, push them in the right direction for altar call the right mindset. Like we're not going to play around an altar call. You know, this is serious. What we're about to do is very serious. Um, and so,

SPEAKER_01 26:29

yeah. Um, yeah, we've, I, I remember a few times and I actually, I think I actually have in the script for this theme, um, once, once, maybe twice even, but I think once, um, but we've done it before. I don't know if you remember, but we've had, uh, preaching in Sunday school and it I think it was your brother did it once and Brother Joey did it once. And I know you've taught the lesson before. But where we did it and it was like, okay, look, this is, we wanted to just be full on preaching. Now the one caveat, and I don't know, maybe this is bad, I don't know, but is we did have a subject. So it wasn't just a free for all, like most of the time you don't give a preacher a subject, you know. But it was, we did have a subject because we were following a certain theme or a certain focus for our lesson. But it was like, okay, preach this, preach this thing, you know? And so that's just an example of, don't be afraid to take it all the way, you know? Yeah. Children's church, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then the last thing I had for biblical education is don't just assume that your staff knows everything about the Bible. And so what I mean by that is, and I don't assume I know everything about the Bible, but what I mean is if you, if there's a way in, your staff development and team development to be teaching about the Bible, great. I don't necessarily just mean that. That would be, that's fantastic. But what I really mean is, so if we're getting ready to, you know, we have practice every Sunday morning, but if we're getting ready to do a Bible story or this could apply to the lesson too, make sure that, you know, get a feel for it or whatever, but make sure your staff knows, don't just assume that they know the story and don't just assume like, yeah they might know the story of uh you know Gideon or whatever they might know the story about like we've we've always done put a big emphasis on Gideon part two you know after he did become a mighty man of valor and chafes the kings even Zamuna and so but make sure that they understand the story that's important for even for the acting parts but also understand the the lesson and how the story ties to the lesson so this could even apply to the theme I guess but Jonas assume that they just know like oh Gideon the story but know why yeah we're teaching this story because we're talking about you know whatever trusting in God yeah and and understand because I feel like and I'll say this in practice I feel like if we understand the context and we say this is the lesson yeah this should be the umbrella over everything that we're doing even something like alter I mean alter offering even something like offering because and I use that because offering is you know It's like, okay, you're just taking up offering or you're teaching about how to give and we are doing all that. But is there a way, we usually do a mini skit and it's like we got about two minutes for that segment. So we do a mini skit. Is there a way in that mini skit, even if it's funny, is there a way to tie in what we're teaching about today? Like, okay, we're trusting in God. Well, I don't want to give this because I don't know, you know, well, God will take care of you, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what I really like that you emphasize because I mean, many times that I've been in Sunday school, It really helps when you explain it because you do in the practices, you explain, this is what it's about. This is what we're talking about. This is the subject. And if we can somehow include this, you know, and then you even go through the Bible story. We'll, we'll in practice, we'll even, you know, run through it and you'll run through the details of the story and different points we need to bring out in regards to the lesson and stuff. And so that really helps, you know, when the staff have an understanding of the lesson you're trying to get across.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yeah. Cause then like if, if they're, you know, sometimes they're on stage by themselves waiting for the next actor to come out and they're doing like a monologue almost then they can know like to put the emphasis on oh man I hope I can trust in God you know they can put that emphasis on what the lesson is and so it helps you know it relates it to the kids

SPEAKER_02 30:33

and the more the kids hear that lesson throughout the whole time of Sunday school it just gets driven and trusting God trusting God trusting God they're going to leave and be like yeah I know what Sunday school is about today was about trusting in God.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yeah, it was funny. Last Sunday, Brother Keech, he asked me, he's like, did you hear me? And I think it was offering or something. He's like, did you hear me mention the, you know, we usually have a phrase kind of that culminates the lesson. I said, oh, I didn't hear it. He's like, well, I've been doing it. He's been doing it every week. He's like, you said to do it. So I've been doing it. Yeah, that's

SPEAKER_02 31:04

awesome. Yeah, that's

SPEAKER_01 31:05

awesome. All right. Well, we're out of time and you got to go. So just a quick recap is we're talking about processes, not goals. Goals are not bad. We're not saying that. But if Focus on the process that gets you to that goal. It's almost like working backwards. That could probably be another podcast, but working backwards, like saying, okay, this is our goal X. Now let's work backwards. What is it that takes, you know, or looking at other Sunday schools, that Sunday school has a lot of people getting the Holy Ghost. What do they do? You know, what are they doing to get there? Or that Sunday school has, you know, their kids know the Bible inside and out. What does it take to get there? And so just developing those processes. So cultivate consistency and continuous improvement and then kind of have a process framework and then don't be afraid to teach the Bible. That's good. All right. Well, I think that's a wrap. All righty.