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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Kyle. How's it going? Hey, it's going well, going well. Dude, we got out of the cage. Yeah, exactly. We're not really backstage anymore.

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I've really wanted to visit Singapore for a long time, and so I'm very thankful we get to be in downtown Singapore right now. Downtown Singapore, our office is out. Maybe a God's eye view, we'll say, not a bird's eye view.

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Yeah, it's kind of funny because this is for those that see the video, but we have a backdrop behind us. Singapore and it's like skyline view, I guess. And then behind me, we have more of a, it's like, I made this to feel like you're on the street. Yeah. You're right there. Which you definitely do. Yeah. It's like the trunk of the car is right behind me. All right. Well, what are we talking about today? Today, we're going to talk about talent development. Talent development. So kids ministry is a place where talent is born and this can be on a few different levels. So when we're ministering to the kids in our Sunday school, we're trying to bring them closer to God, obviously. And we also, we want to help them discover their God-given talents. But Sunday school is also where our staff is able to be developed. And so that's a huge thing. And that's kind of a major focus. For sure. And so staff development has happened just as a byproduct of what we do. It gives people experience, you know, talking in front of other people, you know, kids, but still experience in front of people being on stage and then working with a team even like the ad-lib stuff we do I think it's helpful even for somebody that's going to preach I think it helps you know that dialogue and then so yeah today that's what we want to talk about is being intentional with that staff development

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yeah and I just want to take a quick sec hopefully this is alright and if it's not you can cut it out but I want to take a quick sec to publicly say how much I appreciate what you do for our church brother Gabe I mean to be involved in children's church that's impacted my children personally, to be involved with youth, which is also now impacting my children. I think it really goes unnoticed quite a bit in our church, how much you actually do for our church and more importantly, how much you do for our young people. I mean, a generation that's under grave attack, it's really gives me a lot of reassurance knowing that they have someone like you to look up to and someone like you that's in charge. It's just, I feel really blessed that we have you in our church, brother. Very kind. Thank you. Yeah. But I also want to say that you definitely get credit for Brother Joey Boggs and Brother Brian Critcher. A lot of the credit. We talk

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about them sometimes.

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Yeah, for sure. It's been brought up in a few podcasts, but I mean, it's part of, I think it fits in with today. I mean, there's no accident that they're out there on the road evangelizing. I think that they were really cutting their teeth in Children's Church. Both of them, when they were here, were pretty involved in it. So I don't think it's an accident. Yeah, they

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both have mentioned that. Brian, even on a podcast, I think just, I don't know, several months ago, he was on and he, He's so much admitted, you know, like he does give kids church some credit, you know, for. You definitely,

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you definitely get a lot of credit for that. But no, I think one thing that's really, you have a really knack for is putting people in the right places. I put that down as one of my notes. You're really good at setting somebody up for success. So I think you really do well where you recognize, hey, this person is really good in these areas. And at least in the beginning, putting them in a Yeah, well, and thank you for that. But I think it

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is important to now I have been guilty of like you said, the throwing people in the deep end before and they kind of flounder a little bit. But I do think it's important, especially when somebody is wetting their appetite, so to speak, in Sunday school. And it's important that I give them the tools or if they have a natural disposition where they can flourish so that they become more and more interested. That's kind of the idea.

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If you come in and you just get thrown into something that you're not good at and you fail miserably, it's like disheartening. We're like, I don't know the thing. I want to do that again.

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Yeah,

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exactly. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it's hard, especially starting out. Like you can, if you've been doing something for a while and you fail, well, you can kind of pick yourself up and brush yourself off and say, okay, let's try something else. Right. And so you can keep on going, but, um, so in the notes I have, uh, the first thing is just getting over stage fright. Um, and so one of the things that we've mentioned this before, In fact, we had a podcast called stage, right? Yeah. Um, But a lot of people, and I'm not saying this as it's bad on them because I've been there too, but a lot of people get really nervous in front of kids. And somebody from the outside looking in can almost say, well, why would you get nervous in front of kids? Well, you do it for the first time. Yeah. And you will get nervous. And so I remember there was a time, I don't really as much anymore, but there was a time when I would get nervous in front of kids or when I was principal of the school a long, long time ago. Right. Um, I would get nervous, you know, having to speak during the opening or whatever. So just the fact that like, okay, if pastor asks you to testify or something in the sanctuary, if you've been in Sunday school and you've been on stage, it's like, okay, I've been here before. So you might still get nervous, but you've at least done it before. Yeah,

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there's definitely something to that. People will say, well, it's just kids. Well, like you said, just do it one time. I remember, Saul, this will be my I think third year now doing opening for chapel for the school I got asked to do And so I remember the first time I ever did it, I was shaking. I had like vibrato when I was talking. I think I went through two water bottles in about 10 minutes. Oh, wow. And I still was like dry mouth by the end of it. I was just shaking. I was so nerve wracked about it. And I still, I am a person that just naturally gets nervous a lot already. I kind of like to be in the background a little bit more. Yeah. So I get pretty nervous. Believe it or not, I do too. Yeah. That's why I like when we do a Christmas program so much because everything's dark, so you can't see nobody. Yeah. It's just light. I mean, you know people are out there, but you can't- You get blinded by the lights. Yeah, you can't really see people, so it's a little bit easier to not get nervous, but it's a real thing. And I think it has helped me personally with doing chapel and then also being involved in Sunday school with getting over those nerves and being able to now speak to people in public, speak to people at the Bible study I teach without- I mean, I don't get nervous at all. anymore in the Bible study that I teach and I don't get nervous hardly at all when I speak to people in public anymore. And I think there's definitely something to that, that getting started with the young people.

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Yeah. It's a, yeah, it's a great place to, to get over that stage fright and to get experience. It's like a, um, I mean, so, you know, I don't want this to be misconstrued. We feel like Sunday school is extremely important. Yeah. I mean, that's why we do everything we do. For sure. But it is a low, well, that's my next thing is a low risk threshold opportunity. If you mess up, quote unquote, mess up in Sunday school, the kids don't really care. And sometimes they don't even know. Right. You know, and we do a lot of silly things in Sunday school. And so sometimes if we say silly stuff, it's brother Aaron was on a podcast a while ago and And he had mentioned in church, he had said something. I don't remember what it was. Oh, yeah. I don't remember. He flipped the words and said something just crazy, you know, or funny, whatever. Right. And I was like, if you would have said that in Sunday school, no kid probably would have even caught it or they would have thought you did it on purpose. Right.

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For sure. A hundred percent. Yeah. For the most part, they don't. I mean, when it comes to the acting stuff or even, especially when it comes to the theme skits, they have no idea when we mess up. at all, unless you make it super obvious, which we try to not do. I will say, since we started doing Bible quizzing, and this is Sister Nicole and Sister Critcher's fault, now they know the verses a lot better, so if you mess up on the memory verses, now you're getting a little bit called out on the carpet for that, but for the most part, they have no idea. I mean, we did this, it happened the other day, it was me, my brother-in-laws, Brennan, Brent, and Miles were all up there, and we were the brothers, the Right in the middle of it, Brennan just absolutely obliterates the fourth wall and just smashes it to the ground and says, I just realized we're all actually brothers and starts just cracking up laughing. And I mean, that was pretty obvious that we was not supposed to be there. That was funny. You guys all came backstage. He was like,

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I just realized we're all actually brothers. I

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was like, yeah, we really... And even then, I mean, some of the kids chuckled and stuff and some of our... you know, my nieces and nephews that are in children's church made a few little comments while we were there. But so that was very obvious. Yeah. But most of the time it's not.

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Most of the time they don't know. And even like with Memoryverse, we mess stuff up so much on purpose. Like, you know, cause like there's a, we typically will have a dunce character. Right. And so the dunce is like messing words up or whatever. We do that by design. We do that so that like, Brother Ballesteros used to call it a big word a or something or Bible word. And so like, you know, recompense or whatever. So we'll mess the word up, you know, and I can't even think of one now. Oh, repent. One time we did this whole skit I think it was brother Aaron was out there with a paintbrush and I was like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm repainting. And so he had to repaint. And so we tied that into, no, it's repent, but it makes the kids like get the word, like, you know, and it gives us an opportunity

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to explain what it actually means. Well, that, and I think too, especially when we do where we have the same memory verse for a few weeks in a row, I think sometimes the kids don't realize how that they've actually memorized it a little bit. So when we mess it up. And then they go, oh, wait, that's not what it is. And then go, I mean, I actually do know this a little bit. That kind of gives them a little bit of confidence, especially they like to tell us when we're wrong. So it's just like, no, no, it's this word. And then they can realize, oh, wait, I actually kind of do know this verse a little bit.

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Yeah. And that's actually a good method, too, is there's two things here to say to mention that might help somebody is we used to do memory verses every week. We would do a new memory verse. And we would try to keep them somewhat short. Cause I mean, it's hard. And our segments are very short memory verse segment, I think is four minutes, three to four minutes. So it's pretty short. And so, but now what we do is we'll usually do a couple weeks or maybe even three or whatever. And so, you know, it gives them the opportunity to actually memorize it. So that's one method that's

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good. I like that way a lot better. I mean, like you said, they actually remember it a little bit better that way.

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Yeah, it's kind of quality over quantity, I guess. It's like they, you know, if they come out of a thing Right. Right. And in fact, in this new theme, we're doing, I think it's four or five memory verses total. And so we have it set up to where it's like week one, two, three, and then week four is a review. Right. And then week five, new one, you know, and then we review both of them. And so hopefully by the end of our theme that we're doing right now, that's going to be around Thanksgiving time. Hopefully they'll have it, you know, these memory verses down. Yeah. Another thing I was going to say, though, is that's one method that could help somebody. Another method is purposely messing up. Let's say that you're doing that. And week two or three, you're messing it up. And we usually do pairs or threes. And so you have the dunce out there. And then we're like, no, that's not what it says. And then to turn to the kids, you break that fourth wall. And you turn to the kids like, can we help him out? Right. And now the kids are on your team. They're like, it's

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this, you know, and they, they know what it is. And that, that one, as far as like getting people that are trying to help out, you want them to help out in Sunday school. I think that's a good area. That's a low risk area for them to go into because really we have like one main person that's doing most of the help with the memory versus then you have a few people in sign kind of either just kind of going along with the whole thing a whole bit. So I think people just be there in that side spot. It makes it a little bit easier getting used to be in front of the kids. Cause you're not really, you don't have any lines for the most part you're just kind of reacting to some degree sometimes you just kind of stand there somewhat so if you want to get somebody kind of involved in Sunday school and trying to think of some areas you could do it I'm doing characters like that they don't really have lines necessarily or they're just kind of like well and that's a good

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point because we've talked before about you know being a character versus talking to the audience or you know bringing it forth or teaching a lesson or for example and so for many people in fact I would say most people not everybody but most people like I think I use the example like pastor it would be opposite now pastor could do it but pastor would probably have a hard time harder time coming in and being Captain John or something yeah because That's just not him. Right. But he could come in and teach a lesson, no problem. Yeah. And so on the flip side, many people in Sunday school especially, it's easier to be the character. Right. And so some people make that transition and that's a good place to do it is the memory verse because you're still kind of a character, but yet you're not like, you're not Moses or anything. You're just kind of a theme type character and You're just having to talk to the

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kids. Right. And maybe you have like one person that's the more serious, like it's actually getting the kids to remember the verse. Yeah. And you have that dunce character. I think it's really easy to act dumb. Yeah. So you can just have that person. Some of us easier than others. Some people it's not acting. Let's be honest. Lord, forgive me. But you have that new person kind of maybe be the dunce character where they don't have to actually remember anything because they can just say goofy words like potato instead of the Holy Ghost. Yeah. Just mess it all up. Right. And so that's an easy spot to get kind of comfortable. I think it's a little bit easier to kind of be the comedic relief a little bit in the beginning. Oh, yeah. I think so. Than playing the serious stuff and having to remember a bunch of lines or remember the story like Brother Miles had to kind of carry us along as Joseph in the Bible story that we did, but that was like 15 minutes long, I feel like, because we had to cover so much ground. But he really had to carry that because he's the one that's commanding this and directing that. Right. Yeah. So he had to know his stuff. Right. And that's a little bit harder. Yeah. It's harder.

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And then you're making up... It's not as bad as like... audio drama would be right you're having to like for scene transitions you kind of have to uh like say some filler stuff you know or whatever like let's see i wonder yeah we got food stored up you know like what did we do the other day we were talking about we were wrapping up joseph's story from from the conference and so we had him uh oh he called he called pharaoh on the phone on his cell phone and he was giving pharaoh an update on how all the food was stored

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up and everything that's definitely more of a high risk spot to throw somebody into versus uh putting them in a whatever but they're just like one of the guards or yeah right right

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yeah and guards are easy because you can throw a helmet on cover your face up and nobody knows who you are for sure for sure so some of those younger ones especially talking about staff they can get really nervous if they have to talk to the kids instead of just being an actor yeah um So entry level for several roles. So I put a note here, Sunday school staff roles are kind of like a mini church. We have musicians, we have teachers, singers, we got the audio visual stuff, cleanup. We got all these roles that you, a lot of the roles that you would typically have in church. Right. And so it's always been, and we haven't done like just super well at this, but we have, I I mean, we talked about Joey and Brian, but it's always been kind of a goal– Just an example is somebody go from Sunday school and maybe they learn like ProPresenter. ProPresenter is a screen software that we use in church and we use it in Sunday school too. And so learn it in Sunday school. And again, it's a low risk threshold for making mistakes. If you mess up, yeah, the kids might see it, but we want to do a good job, but it's not nearly as bad as messing up in the sanctuary of church, you know, we've got a bunch of guests there. And so, but the idea is somebody could go into church and And then now they could run ProPresenter in the main sanctuary.

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Well, if you think about it, I mean, no, maybe not directly, but a lot of our musicians and singers and those that run sound and stuff like that have kind of cut their teeth in children's church. Yeah. I mean, your kids both, Anisha and Adrian, both were in children's church and still are helping out with stuff like that. And Adrian started playing the drums in children's church.

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Yeah, I think I have. I got to look it up. I think I have video of him. We did this spy theme in 2016. Yeah. He would have been, I think, seven years old. And I believe that's when he first started playing in children's church. Yeah.

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And so that's where he really got started. I mean, if you think of all the, a lot of singers we have now singing on the platform, musicians to some degree there, they started doing some stuff at least in children's church. So we do have a large contingency of people that are in the main service now that we've started doing it all in children's church.

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Yeah. And I think like, Kind of like we talked about stage fright. We spend a lot of time on stage fright, but where you, it's like, okay, I've been here before, but the singing, that's another good example is like, so we have a kids group that gets on stage and they sing. And so now the quality is low and the barrier for entry is very low. And so it's a group of kids that are up on stage singing, but they're in front of their peers and it's a group of them, you know, so, but, and they like it. They're not, most of them are not shy about it. They're, they're happy to be there. But I think that that tiny, tiny stepping stone can help them when they get, I think you have to be 12 to be in choir, right? So when they turn 12 and they get to be in choir and they're on stage, it's familiar. I've been here before, you know, I've been with a group on stage singing before.

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100%. Yeah. I definitely think, I mean, for example, there's several now that have gone from doing that group So one of them is my son. And then you have a couple other ones that just moved up that are already now in choir. I mean, as soon as they turn 12 years old, it's like they wanted to get right into it. And they were in that children's group. Well, that's a good point. That's the

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other thing is it doesn't just develop the talent or get them over their fear, but it also develops or can whet the appetite and develop a desire to be in

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something. These kids might not even realize they would like that kind of stuff or even the people that you want to have coming as staff may not realize they like that kind of stuff without them being involved in that kind of thing. And so you might have somebody that never even thought about playing a musical instrument or maybe never thought about singing in front of the church or doing any audio, visual, any of that stuff. And then you're just like, hey, we help out in this smaller setting, like children's church. Yeah, no big deal. And then all of a sudden they realize like, oh, this is kind of nice. I like this. I'm actually decent at it. I didn't realize that either. And it's like, well, maybe I could do it in regular church too. Yeah. You know? Well,

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and it's funny because I've told this story before on brother Brent, but it's funny because he, um, his wife, he didn't even know this, but his wife told me a long time ago that, Hey, Brent would probably like to be in Sunday school, but he's scared that if he is in Sunday school, that you'll make him act at heart of Christmas or big, big event. So, you know, now he's been in for a few years and I, I told him the other day, I told him that story and I said, I was so tempted the first year you joined Sunday School to ask you at Heart of Christmas, hey, can you be on stage? But here's what's funny is last year he was on stage. Yeah.

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You gave him a lot of years to wait though. I mean. Yeah. And that was only because he had to fill in. So he was, but now he's done it. So he's kind of stuck. Oh yeah, he's, yeah. I think we've decided he's going to do that role. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I mean, that's something that he probably, like his wife and my sister-in-law said, he probably wouldn't have ever done it. done Heart of Christmas, period. I mean, he would have. If you had asked him, he probably would have been a cordial incentive, sure. But I think it kind of eased him into it a little bit more by starting off with the children's church and realizing, hey, you know what? I'm actually good at this. This is not a talent I even thought I had. And I got a little bit more comfortable doing this in front of the kids. And now, sure, it's easy to do it in front of the kids. And he's awesome.

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I mean, what a waste of talent

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if he's just sitting there, you know? He was a nervous wreck, I'll tell you, though, for Heart of Christmas. But

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he did a great job. So a few weeks ago, I did a podcast with the lads from California. Yep. Listen to that one. And so they have this great system. They do the extreme team.

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All with the, what was it? 10, 11, 12. 10, 11,

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12. Yeah. So they do the extreme team. So I, I was, it inspired me a bunch. I want to do something like that. But also even with our staff, with our younger staff, I was like, you know, this would be not just young staff, but everybody, you know, talking about those different roles like we were just talking about. Is getting experience. So, like, here's an example. Brother Arter, who's been in, he's a dinosaur, right? He's been in Sunday school forever. And he's our old man, we call him, you know. Well, he, a couple of weeks ago, he sat down in the sound booth. And I can't remember, he asked Adrian or something how to do something. So Adrian had him running QLab for, you know, and so I was like, okay, hey, we're going to go to this. Oh, it was at the conference. That's what it was. I was like, we're going to go to this song. And I just kind of showed him where to go, what buttons to hit. And so he, for, I don't know, a good 20 minutes or so, he ran QLab. That's awesome. And so I was like, man, maybe, you know, I've talked about before, I think I talked with Miles about it, about having specialty versus diversity you know and I do like the idea of specialty but the thing is is like you can have like really elite teams. Like I think it may be seals or something really elite teams. They are specialty and they might like this guy might be a medic and that's what his specialty is. And he can do surgery on the battlefield. Right. But when you're that level of elite, he can also shoot and navigate and, you know,

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mechanic to a certain degree. A hundred percent. So that's a really good example. I mean, I never went through the special forces training, but I, I have friends that were special forces and I worked closely with many of them. prosper in anything and it's because they're so well diverse in so many different places because yes they do focus on that one thing more than others but they develop all their skills in many years because what happens if that team member goes down in the battlefield well that's the only medic you got so then what are you going to do now nobody else can help you out well no you got to have other guys that know that stuff too and that's the same in children's church so like you know not too long ago you tried to do a belly flop off of the storage area up there and you got pretty hurt yeah you had to bow out a couple weeks yeah and it's like if you hadn't been kind of forcing us into some areas outside of our comfort zone a little bit right we would have been a little bit of trouble without brother gabe and if we had just if he had allowed us to just use you as a crutch all the time as opposed to like forcing us to kind of get into some spots that we wouldn't normally be in we would have had a lot harder of a time but literally you're like you're like i might try to tough it out but then you were in so much pain like i really got to go home and lay down and we were like okay cool have a good one and we had great children's church when you were going Yeah. Yeah.

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And that is the key is like we have there's sometimes when I'll take myself kind of out of the script and I'm still in there and I'm in the back and I'm watching stuff and everybody is rolling with it. And I mean, it's it rolls pretty good. And we've done that for a long time for a year, maybe even more. I've done that quite often. Right. taste of okay I could kind of like maybe I can't set up QLab so QLab is just for those that don't know is our soundtracks we run soundtracks about 100% of the time so soundtracks and sound effects so I maybe can't set it up and program and get it ready for the Sunday but I can run it I can run it and maybe I know how to drag a file in like oh hey we need a cow sound or whatever okay let's drag that in know some of the basics And same thing like, you know, wardrobe. Yeah. You know, understanding, okay, where are the wigs kept? Where's this stuff go? Where's the label machine for the lockers? You know, cleanup, you know, all those things that have to happen. I think it would be cool if... you know, like using Steve as an example for the Q lab. So Steve learns Q lab. He already knows how to teach, you know, he teaches lessons. He does ultra call. He's an actor. He does all, every segment that we do. And he does the outside greeting and all of that. But then like, if he learned wardrobe, if, you know, just all these things. And so if everybody had that, but yeah, they might still specialize. Yeah. Right. Like Brennan, Brennan wants to learn Q lab. Right. And I want him to learn. But Brennan will probably never be a main Q-Lab guy because he's too valuable on stage. Right. He's an

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incredible actor. I don't think any other person in children's shorts would blow fire. So we definitely don't want him running

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Q-Lab. Well, there you go. See, we need more fire.

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I ain't drinking no kerosene. Nope, not happening. Hey, Steve did, but it wasn't. That was on accident. Yeah, that was definitely not on purpose. But I think it is great to do that. because like I was just saying too is like you just never know what if somebody gets sick what if somebody gets hurt I mean so you don't have a bottleneck if you put that person's all that one talent for that person that's all they do like what are you going to do when they're not there nobody else has ever touched that so then you got yourself into a compromising situation that you shouldn't have to be in if you just develop skills for everybody in multiple areas and they can just randomly fill in where they need to fill

SPEAKER_01: 30:49

in well and the other thing that happens there's a couple things is one it's transfer Like we have found that in, in our heart of Christmas event, it's hugely transferable. We use Q lab and everything in there, but then also it, it expands horizons. And sometimes people discover that they are, they really like, you know, running pro presenter or they're really good at it, you know, and they like it. So discovering those hidden talents. Yeah, exactly. No, they had. All right. Well, we are out of time. Got to get to a practice again. So let's just recap real quick. So getting over stage fright, Sunday School is a great place to overcome that. For sure. Get over stage fright and have that experience where I've been here before. This is familiar. I've done it. It may not be exactly the same, but I can testify in front of these people because I've talked in front

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of people before. For sure. Easier to make mistakes in front of the young people than it is the older

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people. Yeah. And that's that low risk. And then the entry level, it's a great place to have entry level for all these different roles. We just want to be intentional with developing. For sure. I

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mean, Sunday School is not a stepping stone mindset necessarily, but it's a good place to start out. And it's also, like you said, intentionally developing people. Yeah. We don't want it just to be you that's doing everything. Right. So it's good to kind of get everybody involved and kind of help develop them in a lot of different areas. Yeah,

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definitely. All right. Well, that's a wrap.

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Awesome.