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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, excuse me, I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Brennan, and I got a frog in my throat. How's it going? Oh, it's going great. How about yourself? Man, I better get a drink here. Well, it's been ages since we got you in here. I thought we were going to have to like kidnap you, handcuff you, but we finally got you in here. So, you're a busy guy. Yeah, unfortunately, I don't have anything going on today. You do. Or at least this morning. Yeah, what did you say? Did I text you? Yeah. I texted you and you were like, well, unfortunately, I don't have anything going on Saturday. All right. Well, what are we talking about? Intuition. Thank you for joining us. So surprisingly, first impressions can be this way. Not always, but sometimes we can have a first impression of someone or something, like a situation or something, and despite having no history, no basis, but just based on our subconscious cues, such as body language, tone, etc., we can see that sometimes our intuition is accurate. So the premise today is that intuition, specifically in a children's ministry environment, can be developed.

SPEAKER_00: 2:30

Well, when you talk about intuition, the funny thing is I instantly think of archery, which is weird. I know, but I mentioned earlier, I was thinking of instinct is like when you're aiming, I did competitive shooting, but with a compound bow and with a compound bow, it's like you have the site. There's really no intuition. It's just kind of like aim. Okay. You're on the target and you fire. Okay. But with a recurve bow, like, you know, medieval times bow, a long bow. Okay. Where it's just all your strength or whatever. It's not, it's a, it's you don't even really aim it's all like instinct or intuition it's just you kind of pull the bow up and you fire oh wow and it's like there's no like okay I gotta aim I gotta see you know I'm aiming okay now let go it's like you just pull back and you let go and it's it's kind of weird because you're hitting your target and it's like

SPEAKER_02: 3:20

so I'm not like I've shot a bow before but I'm not you know obviously not competitive or anything like that but let me see if I understand the difference like the compound bow is like has the gear and everything on that, right? So it kind of almost helps you. And then it usually has sights and stuff, right? Yeah. And so it's

SPEAKER_00: 3:36

almost like shooting a gun or a crossbow. Okay. It's like there's, it's skill. It's a lot of skill, but there's no true instinct. Whereas the bow you're talking about is like just a pure. There's no sights, nothing. You just pull back and you shoot and it's almost all within a second, you know? Oh, wow. Okay. And so how accurate are you with that versus a compound bow? Well, Less accurate, but it depends on how much you practice. Okay. You are less accurate. I think anyways, at least I am. A lot of other people are way more accurate. Okay. I've seen people with a recurve bow do stuff that's impossible to do with a compound. Oh, really? Okay. So, trick shots, all that kind of stuff. With a compound, you got to sit there and you got to aim and you're trying to do a trick shot. It's a whole lot more difficult. Whereas with the recurve, to do something impressive is a lot. Okay. A lot. You have a lot more freedom, maybe? Yeah, it's a lot more freedom. And it's because you're relying on instinct. You're not relying on other things. You're relying purely on your instinct on where the arrow is going to go. It's almost like maybe like a shooting from the hip kind of idea. Yeah, almost like shooting. It's purely instinctive. And you can be a whole lot more accurate with the recurve if you're not just sitting there, taking your time, focusing really hard on one thing. Right. A lot more accurate with the recurve because it's just like, I've seen guys shoot arrows with other arrows. Wow. You know, I've seen while they're coming at them, which is insane.

SPEAKER_01: 5:11

And you

SPEAKER_00: 5:15

can't do that with a compound. So there's, so I didn't mean to go on this one thing, but it's like, it's just instinct has a really important role. Yeah. Whereas, you know, you have, like you said, a lot more freedom, uh, things are decided at like snap of a finger like it's like you have no time to really process what's going on which I think that really has a play with with you know Sunday school kids it's like if you sit there and you really really really focus you know you could see things yeah but sometimes you really need that instinct to just just go just go and just know like oh something's wrong here

SPEAKER_02: 5:54

yeah

SPEAKER_00: 5:54

exactly you know I need to switch directions right you know you brought it up earlier yeah

SPEAKER_02: 5:59

so so the Our first bullet point is experience. So experience builds intuition. And so I would imagine like going back to the bow example with the, what do you call it? Recurve? Recurve. probably i mean with the examples you use i'm just saying like let's say take a guy that has three years experience with a recurve bow versus a guy that has three years experience with a compound bow the recurve bow guy might be a better shot because there's so much instinct involved

SPEAKER_00: 6:36

yeah and well it depends on the time uh that you have in a situation uh like if you have time to to shoot the target yeah the time to shoot the target like say you have you know all the time in in the world to shoot the target, probably the compound's gonna win because you have to set their time to study the situation. Whereas with recurve, it's purely instinctive. So if you have three seconds, two seconds, the guy with the recurve is gonna be way more accurate. This guy with compounds, he's relying on everything, like I said. So he's gotta sit there, he's gotta draw back, he's gotta sit there and make sure his sight's on. He can't just draw back and kinda just fire. Yeah, okay, yeah. Because you don't really know where the bullet's gonna go. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 7:49

I haven't been doing this 20 years yet. So what can I do to, you know, and we're going to talk about that a little bit, but really for intuition, the best key or the best way to have intuition is through experience. And so I know, like I used to work construction and, you know, now I kind of work in all, I do work construction still, but I'm in an office. But so when we are building, like even just the other day, we were building a And then we were working on the Sunday school set. So like take a hammer. A hammer is a pretty dumb tool, right? It's just a hammer, right? But it's funny because like you take a claw hammer and there are things that I just, I mean, I've been doing since I was 14 years old. There's things that I intuitively know, like this is how this works better. If you're trying to pull a nail or trying to get a screw out that won't turn or just different things that I just intuitively know that I can see somebody and I expect them to just be doing it right. And I see them, they're struggling, you know, I'm like, Here, can I show you something? And do it like this, you know. It's because they're using the left-handed

SPEAKER_01: 9:04

hammer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The left-handed hammer.

SPEAKER_02: 9:09

Yeah, it's like we were screwing some stuff in the other day and the screw was facing the wrong way. I was like, those are for the other side of the stage. But yeah, so I think intuition, you know, when you have experience in something, that's where, that's like the easy example i can think of and i'm sure you have the same thing and you know electrical or whatever where there's things it's it's like if i'm trying to break it down for somebody which i do occasionally especially for my son adrian um if i'm trying to break it down i have to like i kind of have to think hard like i gotta think through

SPEAKER_00: 9:48

the steps exactly you gotta almost like figure it out yeah yeah it's kind of weird and that's

SPEAKER_02: 9:55

what they say what's the saying like the best way to learn something is to teach and And I think that's why is because it makes you boil the steps down, you know, like, okay, well, first you have to do this. And it's all these things or like teaching somebody to drive. There's another example. It's all these things that I've been driving for how many ever years. And so when I was teaching my kids how to drive, I got one more to go in a few years. But when I'm teaching my kids how to drive, I'm like, I'm trying to remember. Oh, yeah. Oh, and do this. this you know and look over your shoulder and you know because things i just all do naturally naturally yeah

SPEAKER_00: 10:35

or look behind you when you're backing up yeah i've done that before just uh i looked i looked in one mirror but you know you're supposed to look in all mirrors right yeah well i looked in one and i was it was kind of at an angle and i was like oh yeah there's nothing behind me well i didn't look in my review mirror right right above me on the windshield there And I just, I mean, I barely bumped him and it didn't cause any damage or anything, but still it's like, what are

SPEAKER_02: 11:06

you doing? Yeah. And that's the other thing is there's experience, uh, bad experience. That's a good teacher too. I mean, you know, it's way better to learn from other people's mistakes if you can. So I remember the first time I ever used a nail gun, um, I was working for my dad. He was a contractor and, uh, I was I think it was 14, 14 or 15. And we were building a house. In fact, it was Pastor Burgess's house. It wasn't the current one, but it was one that he was living in. And so he had to go to the lumber store to get some supplies or something. And I was like, I was building a wall. It was a garage wall, I think. And I was like, well, can I use the nail gun? Because I was hand nailing. He's like, yep, just be careful. And I had used it. Well... he gets back and he didn't say anything at first but he sees me and I'm hand nailing the wall together and he looks because he told me this later and he looks and he sees blood across the concrete on the floor and I'm mad and I'm hammering you know swinging the hammer and nailing stuff together but what happens I was nailing you know so this will only make sense to people that know like about carpentry maybe but I had a stud I was holding on to and I was nailing the top played onto it. So it's basically, if you think of a tee, I was nailing the board on and the nail shined or it, you know, it's poked through and went sideways and it flayed my finger. It wasn't bad. I didn't even have to go to the hospital and I duct taped it and, you know, went on. But the thing is, is I learned and some of my dad talked to me later and he's like, the key is you always keep your hand back far enough out of the nail because that happens all the time. It hits a knot and it'll touch turn sideways so you always keep your hand back far enough so that's something I mean years ago and so now just out of habit I know every time I'm used to nail gun I build a wall I have my hand back and so that's one of the things though that would be easy to forget when I'm showing somebody you know here's just nail this together and forget to tell them oh and I'm holding my hand back here for a reason yeah you don't even think about it you're just doing it your body's subconscious Yeah. And so it definitely better, you know, like I hope what, like when I teach Adrian, you know, learn from my mistake of getting my finger flayed, don't have to do it yourself.

SPEAKER_00: 13:54

Something I learned, I, I, this kind of off topic kind of, um, is my journeyman was having me screw something in with an impact. And for some reason we were in like an odd situation. I was, I was like, I think it's my first year. Yeah, it was my first year. uh and i was he was holding the screw i don't know why oh man i could already this is already sounds bad well i was i was something happened the screw went sideways or it bounced off and and you jabbed oh i jabbed him hard oh he looked at me like he wanted to kill me uh and i learned though now i still think about it this you know to this day it's like I don't even want to keep my own hand there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm remembering his pain and the anger he had towards me. Oh,

SPEAKER_02: 14:49

that's yeah. I, it's funny. It's funny how we're talking about this. And like, I have experience with, you know, working with drills and stuff too. And so as soon as you said this, the situation, I already knew where it was going. Cause I've been there. I had to just the other day, we were putting the upper deck together for our set and I had to, reach out and screw in something left-handed. And Adrian's holding the board for me. And I'm just like, I said, oh, I'm nervous because I was having to put some pressure on it. You know, it's a three inch screw and I was having to put some pressure on it. And I just like, oh, I don't want to jab my right hand with this drill. So yeah, definitely experience builds intuition. And so in kids ministry with experience, like we're going to talk about some of the different types, but the more experience you have the more like natural it is when you are doing acting teaching a lesson you know alter call any of these things the more experience you have the more intuition the more you know like just like this is this is the way to go like for example I was just at where was it I can't remember I think it was a Or maybe it was a youth camp or something. I can't remember. But anyway, I watched somebody praying with one of the kids. And you could tell they were praying with them and kind of talking to them and praying with them. And then there was a certain point. And all of a sudden, they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they were just like... And the kids started speaking in tongues. But it was like they knew because they had been there before. Talking about the staff. They had been there before. They had prayed kids through before. And so they knew that tipping point. They were there and they were praying with them and they were saying stuff. They were encouraging them. And then it was all of a sudden like pour on the fire because they saw it coming. And sure enough, the kids spoke in tongues. It was awesome to see. And that's that intuition. And I don't want to take the God element out of it because that there is, especially in our world of church and Sunday school and working in altar, there is that overlap of intuition from experience and then just the spirit of God moving, you know. But anyway, it's really cool. So, okay, we spent a long time on the first point and we got a few more to go. But the second thing I have is the more engaged you are, the better your intuition. And so, I think that... One of the things that kind of, you know, you're not supposed to pet peeves because peeves make really bad pets. But one of the things that if I did have one is when people are disengaged in what they're doing, like if I look over, I've had this happen before. So, I'm going to use this example. I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad, but... When I look over and the sound guy is playing a game on his phone. That just drives me nuts. Cause I'm like, you should be on it. Especially in our school, we have soundtracks and sound effects a hundred percent of the time. So you gotta be Johnny on it, you know? And so that just drives me nuts. Like if you missed it because you're just trying to learn, or if you missed a cue because you're new and you're trying to figure it out, or, or even if you just made a mistake, um, fine whatever we can deal with that try to get better but if you missed it because you're just simply not paying attention and especially if you're playing a game on your phone i

SPEAKER_00: 18:47

can understand that frustration uh or that pet peeve because like we play different sports sometimes and you know it's a lot of fun i was setting up volleyball uh and volleyball is a blast yeah and it's really hard you know i had to pick certain people because sometimes if i picked you know i'd say i was like okay let's try to bring this person And then... they wouldn't try. And it's like, it's cause they weren't engaged. Like, yeah, they, they said they wanted to be there and they, and maybe they really did. But you know, when the time came to it, it's like, they didn't want to actually

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play all

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out. They were distracted, you know, focused on their Apple watch doing whatever. And it's like, what are you doing? What did you come here for? Yeah. And I have an example for me too, specifically, like when I'm playing base sometimes, I'm like, Every once in a while, I'm just playing and I space out. It's terrible. Something distracted me. And I was focused on that. And I wasn't even, you know, I was just, my body was just kind of moving, just going through the motions. And Logan, you know, was in the mic and he's like, all right, we're going to cut. i heard it but my body didn't hear it and i just kept playing and i realized like after two notes i was like

SPEAKER_02: 20:32

oh oh man you should have just started slapping and stuff like yeah this

SPEAKER_00: 20:37

is my moment it was a slower song i believe and i just kind of look over and everyone's kind of looking at me like you know they kind of have a smile on their face i'm like sorry i got spaced out there for a second it's terrible

SPEAKER_02: 20:49

yeah i guess that's one thing too is like even that's an example of experience because you've been playing forever and so That's an example of where you can ride on your experience and that can mess you up by not being engaged.

SPEAKER_00: 21:02

Yeah. Not being engaged. You really got to focus. Otherwise, otherwise you're going to mess up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 21:08

Yeah. And I think, I think it goes to both sides. You know, I was kind of, when I mentioned this, I was kind of thinking along the lines of somebody that's newer, you know, they got engaged, but I'm glad you brought that up because that's a good example of like the, the two sides of the coin right like I mean people get in accidents all the time they've been driving for 30 years car accidents I'm talking about and so so it's not just because you're 16 just got your license you know it's all across the board and so we can be disengaged in children's ministry we're up on stage we can be like just not into it because we have so much experience like this is something like I could be guilty I don't want to get off track, but even in prep, because I know that I could walk out right now and teach a lesson in Sunday school. I can just get up on stage and I can do it and it would be fine, maybe even good. Yeah. And so I can, but that's like me depending on my experience too much. Whereas if I take that experience and I prep, then maybe I can make that lesson great, you know? And then on the flip side though, is the less experienced you are, I think almost like the more responsibility you have to be super engaged. Yeah. And I guess going back to my pet peeve, that's even worse to me is when I have somebody that Yeah. They kind of get a pass once in a while if they are not engaged for some reason. I mean, I always want somebody to be engaged, but they're like quote unquote professionals. They're not, but you know, but like some of us have years of experience. We know what we're doing and we can make it happen off the cuff, whatever. And so somebody that is new coming in and maybe we're modeling it, I don't know, but they come in and they're disengaged. I'm like, hey, you need to be paying attention. You know, like we had somebody Yeah. they're not even ready they got a part like coming up in 30 seconds you know and so I had to like

SPEAKER_00: 24:02

tell them hey you gotta pay attention I've seen that a lot it's like they're back here and it's really unfortunate but they're just it's like they're not paying attention of what's going on yeah I do feel like when I'm back here or Aaron's back here or you know other experienced staff it's like they we already know what's going Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 24:56

out for it's not like we hang out here for 10 minutes or something but you know you might hang out for a couple minutes waiting for your next part and I think that those others that are struggling like okay what's next or what is offering what do we do for that they need to be like studying the script you know they should be like looking and paying attention you know so yeah I think that and the thing is I part of this comes from way back in the day when we used to we had we had a smaller staff uh i think that was part of it but we used to do a lot of way more back-to-back changes i mean like just fast you know and so now we have we have more staff we rotate we got all these timers and everything and so it's organizes those better but yet some of these newer ones coming in they have no idea you know like if they have you know they're doing one segment and then there's a segment and then they're doing another one after that if they're like oh i gotta hurry i'm like what you got a full minute what are you talking about exactly so um your perspective affects your intuition and so i have the quote glasses you And I think that that's... That could be tempting because there's two things. One, it's a Sunday morning, so it's morning time, and so we're maybe wiping the sleep out of our eyes or whatever. And then kids invariably are not going to behave like angels. And in our Sunday school, we do try to make kids behave, but we don't expect them all to sit with their hands folded and sit quietly. You know, we have interactive Sunday school. It gets messy sometimes. And so... I think that if we can, and I think we all probably struggle with this, but if we can be aware of our perspective, it will help. I guess it'll help the accuracy of our intuition, but it'll also help us like. How do I say? Move in the right direction with our intuition. You know what I mean? Here's the thing. If you think these kids are dirty, rotten little kids... And and then you have those glasses on to use that analogy. If you see a kid whisper to another kid, you might immediately assume that it's something bad or something. You know, you just said something like, oh, they're saying something bad or they're talking about me or whatever. Versus if you have, you know, a totally different perspective and you love these kids, then you are way more likely to let that slide or, you know, deal with

SPEAKER_00: 28:05

it differently.

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Yeah, I

SPEAKER_00: 28:07

had something I was going to say, and I was so focused on what you were saying. I almost forgot it. Kind of. You were talking about loving the kids versus just kind of going through the motions. Each of these kids, they have a life that you're not aware of. Right. They go home maybe to a single parent. Yeah. Maybe they go home. Oh, man. I have an example, but I don't know if I should tell that. I got to think if I should tell it or not. I don't think I can. Okay. Maybe I'll tell you after. But it's like, if you're looking at these kids and you're just kind of judging them based off of what you've seen of them or how much you've seen them, say you've seen a kid around here for a year coming to Sunday school, your perspective is only what you've seen of that kid. Whereas they have a whole life that you don't don't see. You don't know what they go home to. You don't know their daily life, what they see, what they're fueled with, what they're surrounded by. And so you really got to look at these children and just you got to understand like you really don't know what's going on in their life. You should look at them with love and compassion because maybe that's the only love and compassion they're getting. And it's It's pretty eye-opening when you really think about it. Yeah, if you think about... Yeah, that's

SPEAKER_02: 29:40

so true. I think... in general, this is a very general statement, but I think that women often, especially mothers, like I'm thinking of my wife, but I think mothers have a better intuition with some of that stuff. Yeah, absolutely. So like I, I can, I can't think of a specific example, but I can just picture this scenario where a kid might be acting out a certain way. It's like saying Sunday school and I'm tempted to just, you know, like rail and You know, like you sit down, you go sit in the corner or whatever. And I can picture my wife hugging him. And so, and it's like, not that she lets kids get away with anything. She doesn't, but it's like, there's a different intuition. It's like this kid needs love because that's why they're acting this way. And yeah, it's, it's a totally different.

SPEAKER_00: 30:37

Yeah. It's, it's, I think for me, the reason, the reason I, even noticed it is because I grew up in a foster home or you know my parents did foster care so I'm not adopted but my sister tells me I am but she tries to convince you but I grew up in a foster home where I'd seen kids you know straight from the hospital when they were born and I'd seen them when they were 11, 12, 13 I think we've had some that were 15, 16 but seeing What they came from. It's, you know, my mom would always be like, you know, Hey, this, this person's from a bad home. Treat them with some love. Like understand that, that they don't have parents. They've been, they've been taken from home to home, to home, to home. And so they don't have the love that you have. And so I think that is what really helped me and Sunday school. When I see kids, it's like, I'm not just like looking at them, like, Oh, Oh yeah. You know, they have the same life I have. Yeah. They're, they're, they're a church kid. They've been here a year. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

SPEAKER_02: 31:49

that's, that's valuable that like, yeah, it gives you that perspective that I think is really valuable in Sunday school to have that, you know, one of the things I, I wanted to talk about this example is, and this kind of is a combination, I mean, of all of it really, but like the experience and then perspective and being engaged so it's all three points that we've talked about so far but okay so one thing is I am constantly gauging the kids' reaction I'm doing it from the back when I'm not up front and I'm doing it most often when I'm like doing Bible story intro or even lesson I mean I'm watching because often in those parts there's not a lot of action going it's a talking head which we kind of minimize in our Sunday school we do a lot of acting and stuff but when it's talking head I can tell stories and be pretty engaging when I do and so but I'm watching the kids and I remember several months ago I told a Bible story and we usually act them out almost like I mean 95 99% of the time but I was telling the Bible story and in fact it might have even been an intro but I went over the timer and i went pretty long i was like 10 minutes which in our sunday school that's crazy crazy long and so we usually have like two minute segments so i remember that actually oh do you okay because it was so long i was like yeah and so people made comments and stuff about it but the thing that i was the reason that i went so long and you know i'm the director so i can you know do that i guess once in a while is the kids were completely engaged the whole time i i was watching you know I was So I was engaged in making sure I wasn't losing them. And so it wasn't even like where, oh, I'm starting to lose them. So I got to change my voice inflection. I had them engaged. They were all watching. They weren't talking. They weren't messing around. I mean, they were all into it. And so it was, it was valuable to actually go that long because I had their attention and that doesn't always work. I'm not saying that like, you know, I could just tell a story for 10 minutes every Sunday and it would work, but it did that Sunday. And so, so anyway, I'm constantly watching when I'm up front and even when I'm backstage, like one of the things, the dynamics that's interesting, and I've mentioned this before on the podcast is when we have like three actors up front in full costume doing all kinds of stuff and there's kids not engaged. That dynamic is interesting to me because I'm like, why, why wouldn't they want to see that or be like, and I, there's a few conclusions. And that's not really today's subject. But one of them is, I think, is if they don't understand, they don't understand, then they just check out, you know. OK, back to my example really quick. We're running out of time, but we had I think this has been a couple of years ago when Brother Booker was here. brother Philip Booker, and he was, we were doing, you know, he was just part of our staff for the, it was a conference, a youth conference, and then we have Sunday school or children's church during that. And he was up front and he was doing like a magic trick or what is he? A Christian illusion. He was doing a Christian illusion and then going to like teach a lesson. Then we were going to move on to something else. I think Bible story or something. And, And so that was like with the way the script was. Well, he was talking, he was teaching the lesson and using the, doing the illusion. And he started talking about his mom and how his mom had got sick. And the, the atmosphere, it, it shifted, like Brother Cox would say, it's shifted, the spirit shifted. And you could just, I could just feel it. And, you know, of course, I was watching and painting and so on. I typed on the screen a message, just go to altar. And so he And then we went to Altra and it was an amazing Altra service and everything. It was really great. But that's an example of you have to be engaged. don't, don't just like we have a script and everything, but don't just follow the script, be engaged and understand, you know, like we, we kind of have a general rule that, you know, if God moves script goes out the window. I mean, you know, we don't, we don't have, that's, it's just our guideline. So, okay. Really quick because we were out of time. We're over our time, but I do have the last point on here is fast track building intuition. So experience is the key that's that's the best the best way to have intuition but one of the ways that you can develop intuition maybe like kind of faster is by putting a focus on it and so I guess kind of the example I was just using is be relentless relentlessly conscious of results or the lack thereof in your classroom and so track what's working and what's not and then ask the question why and so that's like like I said I'm constantly watching you know what or what's happening.

SPEAKER_00: 37:17

Yeah. I'm not very good at giving lessons. In fact, I'm pretty terrible at it. I need to be better. But I noticed like when I do it, I tend to, I do the same thing. Like I look and I see if kids are engaged or not while I'm trying to remember in my head what I'm about to say. And then I, you know, that's, I'm not very good at it, but I tend to use, grab the kids and use them, you know, because I feel like they really, they, they kind of like kids that are talking over on the left side or the right side, they see a kid get grabbed and they're like oh what's going on yeah yeah and then also the kids that are being used they're like oh yeah they like

SPEAKER_02: 37:52

it yeah they'll say they'll tell their parents like oh we got to be so-and-so today you know yeah yeah my uh the saying that i say all the time is kids on stage is a great way to engage and so you get the kids to engage by having somebody you know of their their peers you know on stage yeah and then the

SPEAKER_00: 38:10

other kids they see and and they want to be picked so now they're even more

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focused too yeah they're like oh I

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want

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to be next.

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Yeah. All right. Well, let's do a quick recap. So experience builds intuition. And that's kind of, I guess, a given. But you can fast track that a little bit. And then the more engaged you are, the better your intuition is going to be. And your perspective, the glasses that you wear affect your intuition. If you can always have, you know, we, the way we start Sunday school is actually at, We have in big church, we have prayer and song service. We have several things that happen and then we come out to Sunday school. So we have the advantage if we haven't done it on our own that we have pre-service prayer that we can focus in on. And so I always try to pray even in that pre-service prayer a little bit about Sunday school. I hope Sunday school today, you know. And then fast track, you're building your intuition just by putting some focus on it, you know. All right. Well, like I said, we're over time. So I think that's a wrap. Well, that was fun.