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Thank you.

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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your backstage pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Kyle. How's it going? Hey, it's going

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good.

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Going good.

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Good. All right. Well, what are we talking about today? We're going to put people under some pressure today and

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talk. Oh, man.

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The topic is do it

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now. Do it now. Yes. So I put a note and I got an exclamation point here. So I got to say it was some gumption, but we are running out of time. So I'm pretty young. Depending on who you ask. I mean, if you ask my kids, they might not agree. But the older I get, the more pressure I feel on accomplishing goals. I know this is relatable. So by nature, I'm a planner. In fact, I kind of do that for a living almost. I like to get everything organized. I like to have clear steps and objectives. And so I do think this has served me well, but it can also be my Achilles heel. It can be the thing that's not so good. So there are many of us in children's ministry that have lofty goals and super, super cool ideas. I think it comes with the territory. You're in kids ministry, you're kind of creative to a certain degree. And so- But I'm afraid that some of our timelines might be too long. So I communicate with a lot of people across the nation in children's ministry, and there's some cool ideas. And I'm not indicting anybody, but I do feel like, man, I guess just me, I'm feeling the pressure. And so today we want to talk about moving the kingdom of God forward in this vehicle we call children's ministry.

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Yeah, I just have one question for everybody out there listening. Do you want it to take 22 days or 40 years? Because that's the choice you have to make. I'm fully convinced, and we'll talk about that here in just a second, but I'm fully convinced, and you always talk about we have to be patient. God's timing is always the right timing. We just have to be patient. But I'm fully convinced that God actually waits for us more often than we're waiting for Him. He's just waiting for us to get on track and get with it. I mean, you think about the children of Israel coming out of Egypt. The actual journey from the Promised Land to Egypt, where they came from, was only 22 days. But it took them 40 years. I mean, it took them 11 days to get to the place and they wandered for 40 years in the desert. Oh, man. And it could have taken them 22 days to get there.

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Yeah, 22 days in 40 years. Oh, man.

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And then the other thing, too, is like, what if you wait too long? I mean, think about like...

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Well, and missed opportunity, right?

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Oh, man, big time. I mean, think about that story of the children of Israel. They wandered in the desert for 40 years, and the sons of Korah didn't even make it to the Promised Land because they waited so long, wandered for so long, they got a bad attitude, and then they missed out on something that was going to happen. That would have been amazing. And I think about that too. And that whole generation, um, missed out on going into the promised land.

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Yeah.

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Um, which is

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amazing. Well, and I, yeah, I do think, you know, there's a, there's a saying, and this is not exactly what we're talking about, but there's saying that says, um, when opportunity comes, it's too late to prepare. I think that's kind of, you know, when we're, when we're, um, dreaming about, about these goals that we want to have accomplished and everything, and we don't start at least start doing something towards it right and then yeah the opportunity can come and and you know it's like oh yeah i remember i thought about that five years ago you know and so there's another thing what what is it uh a oh a goal is a dream with a deadline oh that just hit me yeah no doubt so um okay well i have an outline here and so uh dreams and ideas. And so I think that you should periodically brainstorm just with yourself. I do this often. I do what's called a brain dump. I'll just write tons of ideas down. And then I'll try to organize it later. And then you should do this with a team as well. You should brainstorm with your team. And a quick disclaimer here, because I think that we should actually verbalize some ideas here right now. So the disclaimer is that we are talking about this in I'm not being hypocrites, but there's all kinds of ideas and there's too many to execute on, you know, so, but we'll verbalize some ideas. So don't call us out next week if we haven't got it

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done. Yeah. The thing is, is if you're not brainstorming about any ministry that you have, especially kids ministry, you're selling God short. Yeah. I mean, you're selling a ministry short. You have to actively be coming up with new ideas, new things, thinking about the future. Yeah.

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Think outside the box. Yeah. Yeah, for

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sure. And like you said, it's not just by yourself, but also with your team. You got to keep your team involved. It can't just be all about your ideas only. Because eventually you'll run out of ideas. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. If you don't have that team around you. I mean, think about all the people that you communicate with in Pentecost when it comes to kids ministry. I mean, how many ideas you've gathered from that. Oh, yeah. I listened to that podcast you guys did all together down at the conference

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summit. Oh, down at the summit. Yeah. Yeah.

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And you could just hear kind of the brains just turning and you guys were talking to each other, bouncing things off. You even said a few times like, oh, that's a really good idea. I think we'll try to do something like that where we are. And so it's important that you use your team around you to kind of help brainstorm ideas. Yeah, collaborate with people. Yeah, definitely.

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Yeah. And the thing is, is like I have people like, I mean, kids or even, you know, not just not kids, but like young people in the staff or whatever have come up with really great ideas or sometimes not so great ideas. is, but there's a spinoff of it that's like, oh, that's really cool.

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There's that saying where you can't teach an old dog new tricks, which I think is not true. But what happens is as an older person, you kind of have the ways you've always done things. You've kind of learned a certain way. And so no matter what, it's hard to get away from that. So when you have a younger generation who's learned things maybe a little bit differently, whether it be they have more technology available to them or just the ways that things go are different, they can come up with new new ideas that maybe you would never even thought of because your brain just doesn't

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work that way. And we have to be careful that we don't become defensive, you know, of, of our way of doing it. You know, the, the whole, the, the whole concept of our Sunday school, as far as the one room Sunday school ages five through 11 versus multiple classrooms, it's just how we do it. It's not better or worse. It's just how we do it. Um, that whole concept and even the theme idea, the idea of we have themes That came from Pastor basically brainstorming, come up with this idea. And it was before he was even pastor. He completely overhauled our Sunday school. Now, your brainstorm could be just something simple, a simple tweak. It doesn't have to be an overhaul your entire Sunday school, you know. But maybe it would be, you know, overhaul. Like, let's rethink this. But if you can have these ideas like, okay, here's one. I've mentioned it before, but I really want to do, I want to do a slide that goes down and like a diver slide and catapults you into a foam pit. Ooh, that would be cool. Wouldn't that be fun? That would be so cool. So that's like, that's one of my goals. That's a dream. I'm

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sure you got it already drawn up and just ready. Not

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really. Cause it's, I do so much stuff with wood. Well, what are you waiting for brother? I know, I know. It's yeah. So this next thing, this is, this is a top secret release, right here for any kids that would dare to listen to this podcast. This next theme, we're building it right now and it's going to have two slides. Two slides? Yes. So it's going to have one for the faint of heart that'll be a little bit less steep and then we'll have our fast steep one that we've had before. Yeah, yeah. And they're both coming out of a maze. Wow. Yeah, it'll be cool. Your slides are legendary. I just want to say that. They're pretty awesome. But yeah, so that's one idea. You know, there's all kinds of different ones. Here's one that we're actually getting ready to implement. I've wanted to do... A large multi-screen up front. So with our new theme, which we haven't really released this yet, so maybe we'll just keep it secret. But with our new theme, screens fit with it well. Okay. And so we actually are going to be implementing that, which I'm excited about. So it's going to have like a video wall controller and stuff. Oh, yeah, that'll be cool. That will fit well, yeah, for sure. There's some technical stuff I've got to overcome in a couple weeks, but

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yeah. Some of this too, like you think ahead because you know we've talked about it before but we're planning on building a new church building and God willing we'll expand our church which is then going to expand Sunday school and so there's these like future out there ideas like what happens when our Sunday school doubles what are we going to do with the space that we have

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exactly how are we going

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to do things a little bit differently because we will have way more kids but still the same space

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yeah and in fact you brought that up it's pastor and I just like about three months ago talked about this space up here and, and some ideas on some expansion that we might do. And so, but yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true. Constantly got to be looking ahead and, and kind of planning and, you know, figure out, okay, what, what are some of the logistics, you know, that we got to overcome for sure. So I mentioned earlier about, and I'm a disclaimer about there's too many ideas to execute effectively all at once. And so my, my, second bullet there is prioritize. So that's kind of what I'd like to do. It would be interesting. I don't know... It probably would be limiting, but it would be interesting to do a live, they say live, but recorded on a podcast brainstorm session.

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Ooh,

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I think that would be cool. It would be fun. I just, I think that there's some people that haven't been on the podcast that I would have in a brainstorming session. Yeah. Not that I wouldn't have them on the podcast either, but I just, I think that it might be a little limiting because people would be conscious of the mic. Right. You know, but it would be kind of fun to... um, it's something I would like to see, I guess, or hear, you know, the, the process table or something. Yeah. So one, one of the things I do when I do a, like I'll do what I call a brain dump is it's kind of a brainstorm session, but I'll just write tons of stuff down. And then what I usually do is I'll, I'll organize it afterward. And I, and I usually do this a different day, a completely different day. Cause I don't want to, I don't want to be organized at all in the brainstorm. Yeah. I don't want to, cause I feel Like it limits you. And so I have just this plethora of ideas and then I'll group them. Like, okay, these are ideas about decor and set, you know, the slide and that kind of thing. Here's some ideas about curriculum, you know, some concepts, some, you know, a pack, you know, that we might want to do or something. And here's some ideas about, you know, outreach, bus ministry, whatever, you know, these kinds of things. So I'll group them. And then I'll go into those groups and start prioritizing them. And then from there, then you can prioritize and actually say, okay, we're going to, we're going to put a deadline on this dream. Right. You know?

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Yeah. When you prioritize, it's like one, you put things in order of importance, you know, what's the most important first, but you also have to think about time sensitivity type things. Yes. True. I mean, there's like certain themes you wouldn't want to do in the summer that you would want to do in winter seasonal things. I mean, you got holidays that are coming. So you have priorities, like obviously we're not going to do, the nativity story in the middle of the summer. Yeah. I mean, we won't talk about maybe Jesus being born in June, but yeah, I've ruined everybody's day, but, but so you gotta have priorities and then they have to be time sensitive as well. So you kind of kind of have to think about that when you look at your list, like what do I need to do first because of time issues or what do I need to do first? Because this is going to be a little bit more important.

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Yeah. Now this is probably less important for our friends in California and Southern California because they're like, Christmas is sunshine and

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you know, They're sunny all the time.

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So we have, you know, and they complain about it, but we have, we get all of the seasons. Oh, for sure.

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Sometimes all in one day. Yes. For sure. I did a drive one time from Vancouver, which to us is, you know, about an hour and 15, 20 minutes. And when I left Vancouver, it was so icy and snowy that you could barely drive on the freeway. I get through Longview, it's hailing. I go through Castle Rock, it's pouring down rain. And by the time I get to Lewis County, Chehalis, it's perfect. Perfectly sunny and it's like mid-60s.

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That's funny. This is Vancouver, Oregon. Washington. Not Canada. Yeah,

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yeah.

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That's not too, too far either, but. Yeah, we got all the seasons. Yeah. Okay, so the other thing that I have, another bullet I have is follow through. So this is, it's really tempting to start something and then move on to the next thing. Yeah, this is my Achilles heel. Okay,

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yeah. I start a lot of things all at one time. So I'll start this, then I start this, then I start this. But what ends up happening is it makes it take way longer to finish any one of those projects, whereas if I just had done it one at a time or maybe like a couple at a time.

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Are you a New Year's resolution guy? I

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try not to be because most of those things are just things you pick that you know you're going to fail at. So I do reprioritize things and I do an evaluation on myself. So something I do is like every day I evaluate myself. I'll do sporadic like once a month. I'll just really – deep dive into where I'm at spiritually. But then at the end of the year, yeah, I want to see like, how did my year go? Like, was it the year I really wanted? Was it the year I planned on having when it started? And if I didn't do the things I thought I wanted to do, it was like, what do I need to do to accomplish those things? Are they still important to me? So I do an evaluation of myself, but yeah.

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That's good. Yeah. I've heard, there's a saying, I think, we're a lot smarter in September than January. We've experienced most of of the year and we're like, okay. Yeah, for sure. I'm the same way though. Like I'll, I'll like, I have a hard time. I was listening to somebody, a podcast. I think it was, uh, Craig Groeschel, I think. And he was saying, um, I think he does. It's one or two habits that he good habits that he tries to develop in one year. Now he's been doing it for several years. 20 years or something. And so he, you know, he's got all these good habits or whatever, but I, that's hard for me. That, that takes, I think it takes discipline to do that, to choose only one or two, you know? I

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mean, you can have good intentions and I think most of the time there are good intentions with all this stuff, but then some of us, I mean, like yourself and myself, we're just like, to say busy is like an understatement. Yeah. I think about that sometimes. I'm not trying to like be boastful and like, we're all awesome because of how busy we are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This has put me under the bus. My wife had to mow the lawn the other day.

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the front. I mean, it was like a postage stamp. But they kept, they had a really nice, small little house, but it was really nice and really nice green grass, you know, and everything, sidewalk. And she liked to mow the grass. And so, and then, so he would be out there with the battery operated blower blowing the sidewalk off and she'd be out there mowing the grass.

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This is nothing against if in your family, while wife decides that she likes to mow and the husband maybe weedies but I'm just telling you normally speaking in my family in my house it's either my son who's 12 will mow or I will mow so I just kind of was like

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yeah I guess you know this podcast has gone international so there might be different cultures to

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consider

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but here it's it's kind of

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usually the guy who would mow yep so I was like oh I definitely need to like slow down in some spots so I can make sure I get things done that need to get done yeah because you know the exterior of the house is a reflection of

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myself. And I'm like, yeah. So that's the, the follow through is it is, it is tempting to start things and move on to the next cool thing. And so I think with, um, with Sunday school, uh, on a macro level, I do think that sometimes people can, and I don't think we've really dealt with this here too much, but I do think that people can think of Sunday school only as a stepping stone and So it's like their temporary pet project. So they come in, they blow into Sunday school, and it's fun for a little while. And then they burn out after a year or something, and they're ready to move on. Now, I'm not saying – we have a couple evangelists that have come out of Sunday school staff, and that's totally – that's good. But I think that – so that's on a macro level, is we could look at just the Sunday school, the children. in general and say, okay, this is a stepping stone to youth ministry, to college ministry, to preaching or whatever. And so it's, I feel like it's not that, I mean, that's an okay path, but it's, don't let it be like, because you're not ready to commit, you know, to any one thing, you know, bouncing around or

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whatever. It almost would make it seem like it's not that important to you if you're just using it as a stepping stone. You would, if you look at it that way, you really Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. should be concerned about the future of the truth and making sure that these kids are treated with priority and realize like they need to be taught right they need to be shown things that are going on oh man for sure and it's a major priority in the church it has to be if you're in a church right now and this is not knocking anybody but if you don't have a kids something going on in your church you don't have an active Sunday school of any kind something like that it has to become a priority you have to even if it's starting small you got Yeah. Oh,

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it's, yeah, it's important. And I think, you know, and that's the macro level, but I think that also, um, this can get into like details. I, you know, I think we, we did a podcast one time, one time called details matter, but I think that, uh, okay. So I, I've heard this argument before, um, about leadership versus management. And I think that actually there's a lot hand in hand, but, um, People might want to say, well, I'm a leader, and so I come up with ideas, and then it's somebody else's job to manage that. Now, I guess in some instances, maybe, but I have been a part of a lot of pioneered things here at the church.

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Yeah.

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And I've heard a lot of ideas that were like, cool, but I've had to execute them. And so sometimes I'll hear an idea and I'm like, okay, but that's not actually realistic. You know, it's easy to throw that out. And so where I'm going with that is I don't want to limit ideas at all because I think it's cool. Like, hey, we should skydive in and do this. Okay, well, let's figure out how to do that or let's do a spinoff of it. But the thing is, is There's the execution side of it. So don't limit your ideas. That's not where I'm going with this. But what I am going with is saying, don't just throw out ideas in broad strokes and say, well, I'm a leader. Somebody else can deal with how to do it. You should do this. I've heard it so many times. You should do this. And again, it's fine. I'm glad for those ideas. Yeah. But as the, we did a podcast together called The Executioner. As the executioner of it, I'm like, okay, so yeah, this is a cool idea. But now let's put it to work and follow through. That's the bullet. Let's follow through. Let's get it done. Let's follow through to fruition. You know, like we built the pirate ship and we had the cool ladders. We painted stuff black and we had, I mean, all this cool stuff because we followed through. We built, we had work days down here and we worked on it. And we got it done and it turned out awesome because we followed through.

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Yeah. If you're a true leader, you see it all the way through to the end. You don't just come up with an idea, give it to somebody and say, all right, I'm moving on.

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Yeah.

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Like you lead people all the way through that until it's over and finished up. Yeah.

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All right. So the last bullet I have here is move fast. And so what I mean, and this kind of plays off to the opening, you know, about we're running out of time. But this might not be everybody's problem, but I'm just speaking from, from here, you know, from, from us, but keep the urgency, um, move fast in like, so I tend to, and this is making my wife mad sometimes, but I tend to like, if I'm, if I'm, uh, let's just say cleaning or something and I don't want to do it, but I get up, I'm getting ready to do it. I tend to move fast.

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Um,

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And I'm like hustle bustle because I want to get it done. But then oftentimes I'll get motivated through it, you know, but so I will do that. And this is on a micro level, you know, but I'll do that. I'll move fast and I'm working hard and I'm slamming stuff and whatever, you know. And so I think that that's like kind of the attitude we need to have. We need to have this urgency, like, you know, okay, I want to write a curriculum. Okay, move fast. I want to write this curriculum and let's not analyze it. Let's, you know, let's sit down, let's do it right now. Let's go. And yeah, we might not finish it right now, but let's get going and let's move fast. And then, um, I have lean, lean more toward biting off more than you can chew than staying in your comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Oh, for sure. I had a little note that I thought about when, without saying is you can never be involved in too much of the kingdom of God, in my opinion. Yes. Uh, there's no such thing as giving God too much of your time. I mean, there is in the sense where if you ignore your family, if you ignore other things like your job, of course, but what I mean is you can never give God enough of your time. None of us will ever come close to giving him too much time.

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Right.

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So take as much on as you possibly can. The more you're involved in your church, the better.

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Yeah.

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And don't think to yourself, Oh, I can only be involved in singing in the choir. That's it. That's just, that's too much already. I'm already at church three times a week. Uh, you know, and, and now I got to do this too. It's like, and then brother Gabe comes to you and says, Hey, do you want to be in Sunday school? Oh, Sunday school. That's a lot more time than that. It's only, you know, we have a 30 minute practice. 30 minutes. That's a lot. It's like, you come up with all these reasons why you can't do it. It's like, you have so much time in your week. Oh brother. You can give to God.

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Have you been reading my mail? I, I have experienced this scenario, uh, uh, many times where I, and, pastor has taught me I bite my tongue but I'm just like you know I you know like you said we're busy and and one of the things I say I say everybody's busy and I feel like I'm fairly productive and so that's that's the barometer that I really like to use is and I'm not I'm not more productive than a lot of people but more than just busy is you know are you producing and so I'm doing a lot of things in the church and then you come and ask someone for a tiny commitment. Can you do this little tiny thing? Could you take out the trash? I said, oh, man, I don't, you know, and then they'll give me their life laundry list. And to me, it's funny, like, oh, man, I'm ranting now, but it's funny how, like, I have a job too. Wait, you work full time? Yeah. I mean, so I work roughly. Wait, don't you

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have a family with kids

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and stuff? Yeah, I have kids and wife and I work roughly 50 hours a week. That's not very much. Now, I am blessed. I work from home for the most part. I do have to go out of town, but I work from home for the most part. But I have a job and, you know, do other things too. And so it seems like so often, this is my rant, you know, there's so many people that seem like they just, they feel like, oh, well, you just work at the church, but that's not for me. You know, I can't do that.

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The thing is, is you only live today one time.

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Yes.

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This is where I, in the sense of urgency that I have, and I'm sure you're of the same mindset where it's like, I only have 24 hours today

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to

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try to get stuff done. And what I personally try to do is by the time I'm done with the day, I want to be so exhausted from everything that I did. I just like pass out. My wife hates it because I fall asleep in about 10 seconds. So I start off early. I only get like six hours-ish of sleep, maybe five, depending on the day. But I just want to cram as much stuff as I possibly can because I only get one chance today. That's all I got. That's right. Tomorrow's a different day. And so I want to make sure I got that sense of urgency. Maybe tomorrow doesn't come. I mean, the Bible talks about that in Proverbs 27 and 1. It's like, don't think about tomorrow. Tomorrow might not even get here. All you have is today. And so it's like, I'm praying. Right.

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literal, you know, winter, summer, all that. But you have seasons of life and you have seasons in the church. Oh, for sure. So like if you're building a house right now, you know, for your family and you're, you know, we have some families that do that. They build their own house. If you're building your own house, that's a season where you might not be quite as involved in church. I mean, you're still going to do stuff in church. You're still going to be part. Right. But you might not be as involved because you're trying to get this house built. Yeah. That's just an example. Um, but there's times there's seasons. Well, literally, uh, around the Christmas season or a little bit before that, where we have our big, huge outreach event. And it's during that season. I'm, I rarely get to bed before one because we are just doing so much, but it's, I love it. You know, it's, it's what we do. It's part of, you know, part of our process. And so, but I don't sustain that all year. I can't, you know, January rolls around. It's like, Oh, you know, it's, it's kind of like we had a mini version of that after the, the fireworks season. Cause we do, we run several tents and then we also do a big, huge event.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Yeah. That event was massive over a thousand people.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think as us, we did over 1200. Yeah.

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Brother Gabe did not sleep for two weeks straight.

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It wasn't much, but I was not the only one. There was a lot of people that,

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but like you said, it is for a season. The thing is, I think a lot of times though, is like we lean more towards, never having enough time to be more involved. It's like, you always come up with excuses like, oh, well, you know, I got this thing I got to do at the house. And obviously you got to maintain things at the home. You got to maintain a proper relationship with your family. But if you really look at your day, you can still fit a lot of stuff in there and spend time with your family. So the thing is for me, and I'm not against having hobbies like golfing and doing things like that. Like I have golf clubs. I'd like to go golfing again someday eventually. But the thing is, is I have priorities. And so every day when I get off work i go right home to see my family i don't go to the gym i don't go golfing i don't go do other stuff i spend time with my family go home right away um so what i do if i have things i want to do i get up earlier in the morning when they're all sleeping so i can do all the things that i want to do i have priorities of things i want to you know read and study the bible and pray and then i have a resale online so i do that stuff in the morning too but i get up earlier so i can get that stuff done but not lose time with my family in the afternoon and i still go and do stuff with them on Saturdays, but then sometimes Brother Gabe texts me and says, hey, can you help out at Sunday school? Yeah, you want to help balance that? And I'm like, yeah, sure. And I talk to my wife and she's okay with that stuff because I prioritize spending time with them as much as I can.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

With the family as

SPEAKER_01 31:27

well. Yeah, for sure. And so you got to keep a balance like you were saying, but most of us, if we're being honest, we balance a lot more to ourself than we do to God. And we always could have more time if we really looked at our schedule. And I think you need to. You need to see like, am I really giving got enough time? And if I'm not, where could I move things around so I can and still be the father I need to be, the husband I need to be, the employee I need to be at work? Because I mean, I work a full-time job too. I work 40 hours a week. I also work 20 hours a week on part-time reselling online. I also teach a Bible study on Tuesday. I also have church three times a week. I also go to music practices on Thursday.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Which you're going to be late for if we don't hurry up. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

And I'm about to start a Bible study at the prison. I mean, I I got stuff going on, but I still have more time I could probably give. I'm starting college here in a month. There you go. And that's an example

SPEAKER_00 32:21

of the productivity, you know, like I was talking about is we are all so busy, but you're producing and you're doing things that are moving things forward. That's important. Well, we're about out of time, so let's recap a little bit. We'll be in trouble for being late, bro. Yeah. It's all your fault. So dreams and ideas, you should brainstorm. Brainstorm. Brainstorm by yourself periodically and then with your team at least annually. Yeah, for sure,

SPEAKER_01 32:49

100%.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

And then prioritize. There's always too many ideas to execute effectively, but don't lose the ones you're not working on. Write them down somewhere and review them.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Visit them later.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

And then follow through. You've got to finish it. It's easy to start it and move on, but you've got to follow through. And then move fast. We've got to get this thing done. And especially in the apostolic ranks. and the Apostolic Children's Ministry, there's, brother, there's so much potential. I mean, it's incredible potential.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

I feel like it's like right there for the taking. We're almost there, I feel like. I know you guys are working on like a curriculum and stuff like that that can be distributed out. I know eventually we'll do other things we've talked about.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

We're presenting that curriculum. So what that's about, that Kyle mentioned, is it's WPF. It's a children's ministry curriculum And we are presenting that in September at Summit. We're presenting the first draft. And so, yeah, it's going to be cool. It's going to be three years. Is it three years? Yeah, I think it's three years. So, yeah, it's going to be

SPEAKER_01 34:03

really cool. Yeah. It's right there. We just really got to get busy. All right. Well,

SPEAKER_00 34:10

let's wrap. All right.