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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids' ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass, to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids' ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Miles. How's it going? Doing good. Thank you for having me. I appreciate having anyone in that game. Yeah, yeah. for sure. So what are we talking about today? We are talking about

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interesting

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Bible stories. Interesting Bible stories. So I know that to some people that are in San Francisco, that sounds like, duh, because Bible stories are interesting. But so I'll just, here's my spiel. It's kind of, in our San Francisco, we focus a lot on themes and they're cool. We do space themes, pirate themes, army themes, just all kinds of stuff. Just, you know, anything that can think of really I mean that seems like it would be cool and so one time where this kind of title comes from is one time we were brainstorming on different theme ideas and we started talking about like popular stories like Narnia or Pilgrim's Progress both of which we've done by the way but we were talking about like oh there's this one cool story you know maybe we could do this or that and then I stopped and I was like hey wait a minute we have a resource that full of awesome stories. We don't need to find stories. We got the Bible. I mean, we got all kinds of incredible stories. And so now we still do big themes and it's a major part of our Sunday school and it's probably not going to go away. But with that in mind, when we do Bible stories, we act them out 99.9% of the time. We act our Bible stories out with costumes and everything. And

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that way it makes it so much more real to the kids. And even to me as an actor, there's been several stories. I'm like, kind of really made me think my, my mind started going through, uh, like, man, what was this? What was this person really feeling? Like, uh,

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. I know this may sound weird, but we were, I remember it was actually here. I remember we were doing the prodigal son and I was the prodigal son.

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Oh,

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okay. Yeah. And brother Arter was the dad. And I just remember feeling that like, I almost, I was acting, but I could, I almost put myself in that place of that prodigal son. And I felt that like that, man, that weeping that probably came upon him and just like those feelings that came upon him. So even obviously it makes it real to the kids, but also as a Sunday school teacher, it was like, well, it also made me remember, this is not just, this isn't just stories like you would read like a New York time bestseller, but this is, this is real things that happened. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, of course there's parables where Jesus is talking about stories, but like walls of Jericho, I mean,

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Noah's in the ark. Awesome, awesome story. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, It's interesting you brought up a good point is they say that the best way to learn something really well is to teach it because then you have to think through the details and stuff. And yeah, I think that we do like as teachers, we do get these details of the spider on the wall right behind you. Raw and unedited as Brother Booker says. Yeah. We're going to leave that in. Kill the spider on the podcast live. Yeah. So, but you mentioned also about Jesus told stories and that's one of my bullets is Jesus told stories for a reason. So I always talk about, you know, you have two bulls and you have a pair of bulls. And so Jesus told parables. I think that's a new one for me. One time I even did it. I had a couple of bulls, you know, but yeah, so he told parables and, He told them for a reason. Jesus told a lot of stories. And to me, that's super cool because I love stories, you know, and I like, I like hearing stories. I like telling stories. And so I think it's cool that we have a good example that Jesus told stories, the prodigal son, like you just mentioned. But he told stories for a reason. It's because it helps you relate to, you know, abstract concepts, not even just abstract concepts. It helps you relate to concepts that, you know, are things that we need to learn, you know, biblical concepts or whatever. It helps you relate to those through a story format. It absolutely does. Like we can bring it around to a lesson, you know, and that's what usually what we try to do. But like if we're talking about, you know, forgiveness or whatever we're talking about, like, and just like the prodigal son, you know, we bring it around, you know.

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Yeah, we bring it full circle and bring it to their attention.

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Yeah. Yeah, so I definitely think, and so often what we do is we'll come out in Sunday school, and I often will introduce, you know, the Bible story and narrate. I need to get back into more acting on it, but I'll introduce and I'll narrate. And so I usually, and the kids like know it when they come out because I'll be like, who likes stories? And the kids are like, ah. Some of them will say it before I do, but like, who likes Bible stories? Yeah. And so, of course, everybody's like, yeah. And then we'll introduce it. And so, one of the ways that I do that too, just this is kind of a method thing, is, and I don't know, I think there's different ways you could do this, but one of the ways that I do it is I will often tell the whole story and I'll kind of give it away almost, you know, give away the element of surprise, I guess, which there could be downfalls. Mm-hmm. So we want it where the actor, like you're the prodigal son, and I just told the story about you. You could come out and be your character. Yeah. And it's not too hard for the kids to figure out who the character is because I just told the story. They're like, oh, that must be the prodigal son that he was just talking about. It

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would be totally random off the wall, but it popped in my head. Yeah. Imagine how confusing it would be if we just came out, no narrator, try to see if they could figure out the story.

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Yeah. We have done that. You have done that? Okay. Really? We have done it before and then do the narration afterward. Whoa. Okay. We do that sometimes. And usually like that goes back to the element of surprise thing. Yeah. So there's two ways that I think that that works well. Well, there might be more than that, but I'll mention two ways that I think it works well. One is if you want the shock. Okay. Yeah. Even kids that come on the bus know the story for the most part, not maybe everybody, but most part. And so that's another way it can work is you take a story so well known that when you actors come out, they're trying to figure it out for a second. And then they're like, oh, you know, I know what that story is. And so. So those are a couple of ways. But again, even with the narration, the end, part of the reason, like I said, that I do that in the beginning is so that they understand because a biggest. reason for kids not being engaged and talking to each other and just you know rolling around on the benches it's because they don't understand what's happening so they're not interested anymore that's why I try to be careful not to be very abstract in Sunday school at all actually even when I teach youth I try not to be too abstract I try to be kind of literal because I think it's easier for young people and especially kids to follow so Yeah. But the other thing is, so when we use these stories to bring the concepts, you know, like where they can focus on them, I know it says bring concepts into focus, is – I think that, I guess, I didn't really put it in the notes, but kind of what I said about the lesson, I think that's like a key element, I guess, is to be able to relate that to whatever our topic is. Like, usually a prodigal son might be coming back to God. I think we've done it before where it was focused on forgiveness and focused on the father. We've even done it where it was focused on the brother. Yeah. What's it? John MacArthur, I think it's John MacArthur, wrote a book that supposes, he's not saying this is true or anything, it was a parable after all, but he supposes that the older brother killed the prodigal son.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's a pretty incredible concept if you think about it. I'm

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going to have to look into that. That sounds very

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interesting. Yeah, and again, we don't know. If the story was true, we don't know, and if it was, we don't know what really happened. happen but so there's different focuses you can put into the story but often we'll do is coming back to God but the other thing that I have done is there's always it seems like and and I I don't know exactly how to overcome this but there's always a little bit of a divide between I don't like to use the term bus kids really but I'm just gonna use it for the sake of explaining this between church kids and bus kids

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yeah

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seems like there's always a little bit of a divide and so it's not super bad right now but it has been bad before and I have used the prodigal son story before as a way to say how the father was accepting

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and

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the brother was not accepting and we don't want to be like the big brother we want to be like the dad and you know so on and so all that to say that you know the These are ways to, to bring these concepts home. Like, because when you talk about, you know, uh, people coming back to God, even just saying that kids are like, okay, what's that mean? Yeah. They're, they're, they're six, seven, eight years old. Yeah. Yeah. What's that?

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Yeah. They're probably already thinking about stack mostly. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that age coming

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back to God. Okay. When snack. Yeah. Um, So, okay. So, the other note I had in here is kids today are overwhelmed with, quote unquote, attractive media. They are. Cartoons and children's shows, it might even be less. And so you think about that. This is like constant, like bam, bam, bam, bam. They're just hitting. And so one of the things I think that when we act out our Bible stories, I think that it's actually kind of unique. Yeah. Because they, you know, like... If there's arguments, you know, we're not trying to compete with the world or whatever. And I understand that. And we're not in some ways, but in some ways we are trying to compete with, you know, the attention factor. Exactly. The world captures. We are competing with that. So if we were doing, and I don't think we would ever do this, but if we were doing quote unquote video Sunday school. Yeah. And I think there might be a place for that, you know, like an omissions church or something. Yeah. If we were ever doing a video Sunday school, well, we would have a lot to compete with because a lot of these kids, I mean, not our church kids, but a lot of these kids that come on the bus, they look at a screen all the time and see all kinds of stuff. So we would have so much to compete with if we were trying to do that. If we were trying to do a biblical cartoon, I know they're out there. But if we were trying to do that as a Sunday school ministry, it would be, I think it would be hard. Yeah. It'd be really challenging, you know, the major undertaking. Oh yeah. It'd be huge because these, these kids are just, they're used to that. So going back to how we do it with our acting, I was trying to think of, uh, formats that were kids, you know, the average kid would see something like this is not very common.

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No, I was not that you mentioned. I mean, as far as like an actual acting, I mean, maybe a field trip to a place. somewhere but that's the only thing

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yeah like like a kids theater or something like a kids theater in Seattle but it's not something like the kids go to often and when they do it's a real treat you know they go to and it's different and and I actually I've been to children's theater up in Seattle and they did this I can't remember what story oh I think it was I think it was a three little pigs or something it was like a different take on it you know but it was it was really it was entertaining And my kids liked it. My, my son and daughter, my older son and daughter were there. They weren't older at the time. Yeah. They're older now. My youngest wasn't born yet, but they liked it. But I remember thinking like, this is really silly. Like some of the stuff they were doing, it was just goofy and it was silly, but it was, they were professionals. They knew what they were doing. And not that there's not bad plays. I mean, there is, you know, that are professional, but they do what they were doing. And yet, But on a, you know, quote unquote Hollywood level, it would never fly like in front of the camera. But there's something about that live element that it's just different, you know. And so I think that at Sunday School, we should capitalize on that, you know, on that difference, on that uniqueness, I guess.

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Yeah.

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gives kids the opportunity to, you know, be engaged on a whole nother level. Like this is like, oh, okay, this is something I haven't seen. Yeah,

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absolutely. Like I've seen some of like the last, the last major theme that we did as far as with the whole, the pirates and the Navy. Oh yeah. Because there'll be a lot of times we would be doing sword fights and those, some of those best kids, those first times that like eyes were like, it was so just like, what is this? This is crazy. This is so cool. Yeah. I love this. Yeah, it's so much fun. I mean, I've mentioned this many times before, but because... because of the acting and how much, how different it is and how much it grabbed his attention. I mean, had a Sunday school kids come up and I was at Safeway and I, it was just regular street clothes. I wasn't wearing, I wasn't wearing any church clothes or anything. You call yourself your Sunday school name? Yeah.

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William! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's actually, you know, that's really good because you think about that. We do, we'll do sword fights at Sunday school and they're, they're cool, whatever, you know, we, we often don't practice them, but sometimes We'll practice them. And so they're cool. But they're nothing compared to a sword fight on a TV show. No,

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nothing.

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Not even close. But yet the kids are way more

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engaged. I mean, they're all hollering. They're excited. They're just like. Yeah, yeah. Remember that one where we're just towards the end of it. We're jumping all over that, like on the top part.

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Oh, on the steps on the sides. Yeah. And

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then I think Brennan did that little jump between the top part and over into the.

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Oh, yeah. Onto the playground.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then remember when we had, uh, who did we trap? Was that Steve? Oh yeah. It was Steve when he was, uh, uh, At the end when Scar was taking over the ship. the key chair you know at odds yeah kind of sword fighting and talking where will I go across the whole deck and I'm just doing for the kids sake but Steve didn't notice so I guess somehow so I I climbed down the steps on the other side and I'm now behind Steve until he's backing up a little bit I jab him with my sword back my surprise I do remember that he jumped good I remember that now he jumped and turned and I knew I surprised him I was like oh I thought he knew the whole time you know that I was there we He's like, he's like, no, I didn't even know that. That was awesome. And so then of course that got a real good reaction out of him. So the kids were like, oh, you know, yeah, that was, that was pretty funny. Okay. So another thing that I put on here is know the details. And we're talking specifically about Bible stories and hopefully the title is not too misleading. When I said interesting Bible stories that people were like looking forward to it. Yeah. Talking about some specific, maybe I'll list a few, but, um, but really my kind of my point or my premise was that all Bible stories are interesting or can be at least, you know, um, like I'm even afraid to try to call out one as boring, um, and get blasted for it. But, uh, but you can, I mean, we've taken, okay, this is not boring, but here's a, uh, here's a hard one is we've done, uh, David and Bathsheba. And when Nathan confronts

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him. Okay. I could see that

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one. Yeah. So that's, it's difficult. Right. Because of, you know, trying to keep it not R rated or whatever, however you want to say it. And so, but we've done that story and, you know, we've, we've scripted it so we can go. I do remember though, one time we were in a transition and we were doing the, the rotating groups.

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Oh, no.

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and somehow I had that story. Um, I don't know. I think I just copy and paste it or something, but I had that story and I think it was Brennan and somebody, I think it was, I can't remember if it was Brennan for sure, but somebody, they, there's two, two guys, they come up to me and like, how are we supposed to do this story? We can't do this. It was like right before Sunday school. How are we supposed to do this? And I was like, well, we've done it before. Um, But anyway, so yeah, know the details of the story because when you understand the details of the story, you can embellish those details. You can bring certain things out that makes the kids like, oh, you know, and we do a lot of like, we take liberties, I guess you could say. Yeah. gist of the story or whatever. What did we just do? We just did, were you up here? Oh yeah, you were up here when we did Moses. Yes. Moses, we called it Moses part two. And it's basically when Moses kills the Egyptian slave master. Yeah. And so there was a little bit of comedy in there. And so, oh, and you and I were fighting over the brick. Yeah.

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We were the Hebrew slaves. What are you going to do, Moses? Kill

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us now too? Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. So, yeah we had uh Okay, so here's another way to make a story interesting is interactivity. So we had several kids come up and be slaves with us. So we came out. And one of the things that we had to do is a pastor kept several of our staff in. So we just were kind of running on the fly with our casting. So we had a smaller group than normal, but it was fine and it was fun. But you and I come out. We're slaves. And then we start recruiting people. They don't know what they're getting recruited for. but we start recruiting kids. So we got, I don't know, 10 of them up there or something.

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Roughly.

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Yeah. Yeah. So we got a bunch of kids up on, in the front and then, uh, we're like, okay, get to work. And so, and some of them did good. Cause we, I had some, I had some boxes just kind of randomly stacked up there. So they're stacking them. Yeah. I didn't

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notice that. That was.

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And so then one of them grabbed the brick that we had staged it, put it on top of the boxes. I was like, Oh no, that's going to go down. Yeah. Back on the floor. Yeah. But, So we had all the kids up there and then, so Brother Keech comes out as the Egyptian slave master and just, he decided, he randomly, you know, was going to pick a kid. So it happened to be my son, Ashton. And he was running from

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it. And that was, that was amazing improv though with him trying to

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run around. Yeah, they were dodging left and right around the boxes, the stack of boxes. And Ashton, I think Ashton might have actually really been scared for a second there. But then, so Brother Keech grabs Ashton and, you know, you know, starts quote unquote beating him, you know, and Brennan comes out as Moses, takes the whip from him and starts beating him with the whip and then chokes him and kills him. And then we had some fabric and netting and buried him in the sand. And then, of course, we did it where all the kids were all right there watching and pointing like, oh, look at that. So then he comes out and we were going to have narration between there. And I was going to do that, but I had to be a slave. So we just kind of, we went with it. So he, what did he, he left for the transition. He was kind of like off to

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the

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side. Yeah. Oh yeah. And so then it was like, presumed to be the next day but basically you and I just start fighting and arguing over the brick and then he comes in that was funny

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and then we got to say point it because we made sure to leave a foot out

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yeah yeah what are you gonna do kill us like you did that Egyptian over there and so uh oh and then yeah then we had a quick change because what did we do we all uh you were you changed into a guard right yeah so bro Lekeech had to get up from, he was dead, the slave, but we were like, what are you going to do? How did we try? Oh, I think we just said, okay, you guys go back to your seats. Yeah. As an actor, we had to break the fourth wall. Yeah. As an actor, go back to your seats. And then we went to the back and then Brennan came out as Moses hiding while John and I changed into guard outfits.

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Yeah. And you guys were like yelling into your mics. Oh yeah. That's right. Where's Moses or something like that? To

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fill the time. Yeah. Yes. That's right. Cause we're doing it. We're back here doing it. quick change changing out of slave into an Egyptian master into guards so yeah we turn our mics on like where's he at I think he's back here somewhere you know and then we come out and of course we had a big chase scene with Moses which is not technically super biblical

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it's not

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but

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but it was pretty awesome it also makes the the whole idea of the Moses fling from Pharaoh it kind of really puts in the kids minds

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yeah exactly that and that's That is the other thing that comes back is one of the goals, man, we're getting off topic, but one of the goals is not just the lesson to relate to, but also so that kids know the Bible stories. Because I've talked about this before, but when you come in to the preaching and they're preaching about Moses and killing the Egyptian, I mean, how many times, Sunday night, it's crazy how many Yeah. I mean, very, very a lot, you know, we'll come in Sunday night and the preacher will talk about what we talked about Sunday morning, having no idea what we talked about. And, and you'll see kids will get whiplash, you know, they'll whip around looking at either me or other teachers or, or maybe whoever the main character was. And, but also it brings, you know, now in, you know, big church, quote, quote, big church, we call it. The kids are like, Oh, oh, wait, I know this story. Yeah. So now it's not abstract anymore. You know, like the preacher's droning on about this, some Moses person or thing. Yeah. And now they know, no, that's, that's a guy I learned about in Sunday school. I know who Moses is. So makes it cool. But, um, and we are running out of time, but let me just really quick with the details. The more that you know about the Bible story, the more that you can add lib stuff to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe when he, like, man, my dad, his servants are treated better than me. My dad would forgive me, that kind of idea. Well, the last thing I have is give it your all. And so when you get on stage, I read this a long time ago about a director saying this, but don't, quote, act. Mm-hmm. Melted, you know, like just deep. And we're going to do a podcast about character development, but he just, he felt that character. And when you can do that and you convey, we do a lot of comedy, but we could convey some of that seriousness and like, wow, you know, this is deep, you know. Then they kind of, that's another one of those shock and awe things almost for the kids is they like, oh, I've heard this story a thousand times, but- Wow. When I really

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used that, when we were able to... I know it's acting, but really kind of almost convey the emotion.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And convey the emotion because we're, we know the details like I talked about, but we're giving it our all and we are invested.

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Yeah.

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You know, and so again, like you say, yeah, we are acting. We're obviously, but yeah, when we can give it, we can invest that emotion because we feel it so much. You know, we do our, we do a big Christmas event every year. and there's a skit that uh that joey and i do towards the end and it's it's kind of emotional yeah so he pulls out a letter and he does it from memory he doesn't actually read it but he pulls out a letter that he had written in in the skit you know he had written in college supposedly and it's to god and so he's reading that and not every year we've done it a Not every year, but there's some years when he's actually like choking up and he's reading it and it's powerful every time. But when he does that, it's just like, oh man, it grips you, you know? Um, so it, it makes a difference when you're all in, when you're invested. And again, you know, there's a lot of, I know we're not the only ones I know. There's a lot of comedy and sillyness and that's, that's That's fine. It's totally fine. But don't let it just be that. Find those times when you can impact, because if you could balance it, like I would say just a guess here that we're probably 70, 30 or something, the comedy being 70, you know, we're a lot of comedy. And I probably, and our whole team would not agree with me on this, but I probably would prefer, and there's no, there's, no theology behind this this is just my own preference i would probably prefer it be like more like a 50 50 because i think that there's so much power in drama there is it's

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kind of something interesting i was once told the it was somebody was talking about public speaking and he says if you can make an audience laugh you can make them cry oh

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that's good well you know um We haven't had him here in a long time, but Brother Ballestero, Brother Martin Ballestero, that's, I kind of think of him, he's an incredible preacher, obviously, and even quote, public speaker. In fact, one year, we had a sweetheart's banquet, and he was our stand-up comedy. Okay. So, yeah, he's a pretty talented guy. But he's one like that, that can, he's really funny, and he's probably that 70-30, really. He's a funny guy but he's really funny but oh man then he can just like blindside you yeah oh man you know and grip your heart and so yeah all right well just to recap here is uh interesting bible stories oh i was gonna mention a little list so some interesting bible stories um so one i've i've talked about this quite a bit um we just did a i just did a junior camp in um southern in California, and I was gonna talk about the story, and I didn't get a chance. We had an amazing altar service, and I ended up not speaking that service, so it was really good, but I've told this story before, and it's just, it's an awesome story, but it's really obscure. It's Shamgar, and so I've told the story. Shamgar is, I think he's the third judge in the book of judges, and I've told this story before, and I remember the first time when I did I did it in Sunday school. I told this whole story. I kind of have a way that I tell it, you know, and I might've actually told it instead of acting it out. I can't remember, but we've acted it out this way as well. But I told this whole story and I remember one of our Sunday school staff, he was like, he came up to me, he's like, where did you find all of that? He's like, I looked it up. There's only two verses in the Bible about Shemgar. I know. And so I had – and this goes back to knowing it. I had done some studying and there was some – I think it was Josephus and – And just other things, culture and stuff like that. And there's some people that theorize that Shamgar was as misplaced as in the line of judges. And so I don't know if I really believe that, but there's just different theories. One theory was that Shamgar possibly was Shama, the one in the bean patch, one of David's mighty men. Okay. because the timeline is so far apart. I don't think that's a mistake that was made. Anyway, this is getting off track, but that's one of those Bible stories that is maybe a little bit more obscure, but it's an interesting Bible story. Okay, another one. This is really popular, but Joseph is a Bible story that's interesting, and you can do, I mean, there's so much. So much you can do with it. We've done series on it. You can do five-part series on Joseph, and it can be so interesting because there's so much in it. And then like, okay, here's, here's one. And we do got to quit, but here's one Gideon. Yeah. So Gideon, I like doing this. We've done the same thing with Samson, but Gideon, everybody knows the story about, okay, Gideon hiding, threshing wheat. And hopefully the screams aren't getting in the mic. There's a bunch of kids running around, but Gideon threshing wheat and the angel and And then the 300 man, the pitcher and all that. Well, there's a whole part two. Yeah, there is. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. So he became that mighty man of valor that the angel talked about. And really, to me, more than the 300 men and the pictures and all that, because they're, I mean, obviously amazing act of God. There, the Midianites were killing themselves. They were fighting each other. But then he became this mighty man of valor because he was chasing these kings and doing all this stuff. So another interesting story. Same thing with Samson. Samson and Delilah And there's a whole prequel to that. There's the girl from Timnath. There is. Or Timnath. Yeah. And that gets burned up in the house. And then he, you know, and so, yeah, there's a lot of interesting stories. But we're out of time. So just to recap really quick. Jesus told stories for a reason. He told parables so that people could relate to what's, you know, the concept. And then kids are overwhelmed with attractive media. So we do have to compete. in a way, but that's one way. And I know not every Sunday school acts out Bible stories, and that's okay, but it is a pretty good tool.

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It's an

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amazing tool. It's an amazing tool, and if you are trying to compete and get kids' attention, it's a really good tool. And then know the details of your story. The more you know your details, the more you can ad-lib and kind of embellish it, and then just give it your all. Give it everything you've got.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Awesome. God do some amazing things.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yes, absolutely. All right. Well, I don't know if the mic's picking up those screams, but they're driving me nuts and we are out of time.

UNKNOWN 38:10

So that's a wrap.