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Thank you.

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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids' ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids' ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Brennan. I saw you smile. Did I miss something in the opening? No, no, no. I want to do that again. Okay. Oh, man. So, I've been trying. I got to tell a little story before we get started. I've been trying to schedule you and Brother Brennan, and Brother Brennan will do anything to get out of a podcast. He texted me last time we were supposed to do this. I think it was last week. He's got his car all torn to pieces. Sent me a picture of it. I'm at a conference, and we're supposed to do a podcast the next morning. And I was just like, oh, my goodness. You'll do anything to get out of a podcast. Yeah, I took

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the whole car apart just so you could.

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All right, well, what are we talking about today? Roman mile. And that's just, I did look this up too. It's like 1.43 kilometers. So it comes like 0.9 miles, really technical. But whomever the Roman soldier recruited would then have to carry a load. And this load could easily be 80 to a hundred pounds of this armor and weapons. And they'd have to carry that for a whole mile. And then once the mile was complete, this unlucky civilian servant could drop it and get a relief. So the term extra mile mile, you know, in Matthew 541, Jesus is basically, the thought is from scholars is that he's saying, when his Roman soldier asks you to do that, then go to, you know, go the extra mile. And so we have this term that we use all the time, the extra mile. And so this is synonymous with going above and beyond and, you know, doing more than what is expected, whether it's at work. Or more than what you want to. Or more than what you want to, but just out of, you know, like feeling like, okay, I should do extra.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Yeah, absolutely. So it's

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your turn.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Well, you know, it is, the topic is going the extra mile, but for me, I think it's actually doing the first mile. Doing the first mile. Yeah, well, we'll talk about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

But I guess I'll say in defense of you, since you're tearing yourself down, I think that you do, you know, like when we've worked up here or whatever, and it's like, okay, we're trying gonna get this done or whatever you'll go the extra mile you know like you'll you'll like get that done and then like oh well this needs done and you don't have to be told you know you're just like okay well let's just do this too or whatever like we're prepping for an event or or if we're working on a sunday school set or whatever you know

SPEAKER_01 3:38

yeah i definitely hate uh you know taking away from the person that's in charge yeah i hate distracting them from what they're trying to do and so yeah i just try to do something i will always done that like at work too. Like when journeymen are busy, it's like, I don't want to, I don't want to keep going to them and you taking them off of what they're doing. It's like to ask, you know, kind of being counterproductive at that point is what it feels like. So I always try to look for

SPEAKER_00 4:05

what needs to be done. Yeah. Well, and not to get off topic too much, but like, I, I remember way back when I was principal of the school, I used to talk about the, the good, better, best, you know, employee. And I was like the good employee does what he's told. And the better employee does what he's told and then asks for, you know, what's next? What can I do now? And gets it completed on time and goes on to the next thing. The best employee just does what needs to be done, you know, whether he's told or not. So, yeah, in the workforce, obviously, the person that goes the extra mile usually is the one that's promoted and, you So I have a few bullets, but changing your outlook. And so one thing I thought about this is imagine that you are that Jewish civilian and the Roman soldier is like demanding, you know, like, hey, you carry my stuff because it's the law. But then you flip it around on him and you start talking to him as you're traveling down the road and ask him about his family and how's he doing. You get to the mile and he's like, well, that's the mile. And you're like, oh, let's go another one. What a difference, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Absolutely. If I was that soldier, I'd be like, are you crazy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Yeah. It would totally change the dynamics of the relationship. But then imagine the next time that soldier saw you on the road.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Right. Honestly, probably. I don't know if he'd pick you. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean is he would probably feel almost guilty. Like he would be, um, that guy enjoyed punishment. Yeah. Or he might, would be like, would you carry my load? You know, you know what I mean? I mean, the dynamics would change and I, I don't know. I mean, it was a lot rougher times back then. And so, and, uh, it would certainly be more fun in Sunday school to play it out more like demanding soldier. Uh, But I just think that, you know, if we can change our outlook, um, I'll like another example. I, I started working construction when I was 14 years old. My dad was a contractor and, uh, my dad and I have a great relationship and, and we didn't have a bad relationship then either, but I think I had some like resentment because I worked with him and lived with him and, you know, just all of that. And so, uh, So when I was younger, I just, man, I hated construction, you know. But it was kind of funny. I know that sometimes I'd be working out in the rain and mud and everything. And then when it was like, okay, well, we're going to wrap up. Then it was almost like since I knew that it was quitting time or I knew I was going to be able to leave it, you know, whatever time, five o'clock or whatever it was, it was almost like an extra boost of energy. Like, well, hold on, I'll get this done really quick first. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah, that happens. Definitely. Now, sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's like, finally, it's here. But sometimes, yeah, it's just that motivation is like, oh, I got to get this done real quick for four times. out

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I gotta hurry I gotta hurry yeah and I think it's the the hope of like okay we're almost to that mile you know so okay

SPEAKER_01 7:34

I do know my last boss he he would always ask are you sure you don't want to stay late I'm pretty sure yeah I'm pretty sure I don't want to stay late sure especially working so far out of town but that's why he's a business owner yeah yeah and I'm an employee oh man he has incredible So

SPEAKER_00 7:55

this kind of, I mean, this all ties together, obviously, but the other bullet I have is beyond the bare minimum. And so one thing I think about, and I know that I am maybe the Sunday school, quote unquote, leader, but I feel like anybody that's working in Sunday school, teaching Sunday school, whether they're leading the team, or if they're just teaching in Sunday school, they are a step above, well, that sounds wrong. They're not just pew warmers. And so they are not just consumers. And so they have kind of a responsibility to go beyond the bare minimum. And so that's when, like when we have new staff come in or whatever, I think that there's like a transition. And I think it's a good one, but it's a transition from, okay, I'm showing up and what can the church offer me? You know, what's the JF Kennedy quote? You know, it's not, what you can do for your church, but what you, or what your church can do for you, but what you can do for your church. There we go. But, and instead of like, you know, what, what, what kind of songs can you sing me? Can you preach me a pretty message? You know, can you pray for me? I mean, we still need all of those things, but when we show up as Sunday school teachers or leaders, we have kind of a responsibility to go beyond that bare minimum. We need to step up and, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, talking about that pastor talks quite often you know about or maybe maybe it's often maybe it's not often uh maybe i just hear it more but i struggled with it in the past now i don't struggle with it at all but it's you know i'm in music and it's like every thursday night yeah every sunday morning every sunday night every wednesday night i've got to play bass yeah but you know uh as time went on you know pastors talk to the musicians and singers and stuff it's like you get to do this right yeah someone else can easily do this like sure they may not be as good at the moment they could definitely surpass you yeah um and it's been proven yeah

SPEAKER_00 10:05

but i that's a good point yeah is yeah that's that's another thing about changing your outlook is you get to carry

SPEAKER_01 10:12

that you know yeah and so when i see you know if i'm not supposed to be playing on a I get to play tonight. That's awesome. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot more, I don't know, it's a

SPEAKER_00 10:29

whole different outlook. Isn't it funny how it's a different outlook? I want to do a podcast on this sometime, but you're doing the exact same activity, but it feels so different. It feels incredibly

SPEAKER_01 10:42

different. Like, I mean, I even showed up 15 minutes early to practice, which is unheard of. Yeah. I mean, sure, five minutes. Five minutes or right on time. You know, that's, that's just what it used to be. But man, last, was it last night? Today's Thursday. Yeah. Last night. It's 15 minutes early at the church at six 30 with a coffee already. Oh man. It's just like, yeah, there's just something about outlook and perspective.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So I think it makes a difference on, yeah, how you look at it. Um, and, and that bare minimum, like that, that helps too. If you, If you have that different outlook, then you're not just trying to skate by. It's like, okay, I'm going to do this. You know, this is something I want to do. I'm going to do this. And you do way better too, because

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you

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want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yes. And

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you're not trying to just do it to get out of something or. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Yeah. Right. So I have, I have another scripture reference. We're real spiritual on this, this episode. So Romans 12, one, I beseech you, therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies and living sacrifice. Holy. Which is your reasonable service. And so that was kind of what I was thinking. And I wrote that note there is the bare minimum. I mean, at the minimum, we show up and do our quote unquote job, right? You know, the very minimum we have to do. Sunday school and do the lesson and, you know, go through the script. And, but that's just like the bare minimum. That's not rockstar status.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

So you were actually, uh, we weren't teaching the kids that you had that on there for us. Yeah. All this time.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Yeah. And so, um, and so the other thing is, you know, this is, uh, a podcast about Sunday school specifically or kids ministry specifically, but I've talked about this before being the extra mile person. So we all know like certain people that, um, you just, you just want to recruit for whatever, you know, because you know that they're going to do a good job. It's kind of like, uh, brother Chuck Mozingo, uh, he passed away. I don't know how long ago, but he, he's told me one time, um, he said, my dad always said If you want to get something done, find somebody busy. And I know he's not the original that said that, but it's true because, and believe me, I've experienced both sides of it. You know, I'll try to get something done. I'll find somebody that's busy and it's hard to get them. But when they get there, man, they get stuff done. And then on the flip side, you get people that, man, they got all the time in the world. There's a reason.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

There's a Oh man, that makes me think of somebody definitely not going to say the names. But yeah, they weren't, you know, I could actually, they don't go to our church anymore. So I think I have a little more liberty to be transparent, but not too transparent even still. We don't want to bring Bob into this. Yeah, yeah. Bob. No, I'm just kidding. But they weren't involved at all in anything. And then it's like, probably once every couple months they would come down and help with something. Whether it was Sunday school set up or whatever it was. Just something. But at one of their times they they showed up and they were like they were like what 45 minutes late i think and and then like they just kind of stood around and then they were just like looking busy and then disappeared

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just disappeared yeah it's like and that's that bare minimum like and it's not even the bare minimum it's just like just to show their face yeah i guess so yeah i was there and Yeah, I hope. You never do anything. No, I was there. Yeah, I was there. Yeah. Yeah, and that's not the kind of people you want, you know. I know there's, like we do a lot of events around here and, you know, conferences and outreach events and things. And there's a few key people that always get, you know, quote, picked. They're always picked because. We know that they're going to do, they're competent. And so maybe they're not a cook, but they can run the kitchen because they're just competent as leaders and they're going to show up. Not just going to show up, but they're going to show up and they're going to make sure things are running. And if the trash needs taken out, they're going to do it, you know, or make sure it happens. And so. That goes to

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that 20, 80% that pastors usually talk about or leaders usually talk about. Yeah. 80%. No, no, no. 20% of the people do

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80% of the work. people and I know not everybody has a big team but we should be constantly pulling and drawing people to that inner circle to that 20% and then with kids with the kids that we you know air quotes again but minister to we should be teaching that concept that hey you don't want to just show up and just do the bare minimum but get involved be a part in fact that's one of our our rules we have four rules that we introduce every Sunday. And one of our rules is get involved and be a part. And, you know,

SPEAKER_01 17:05

yeah, it definitely doesn't have to be 20, 80. I didn't be fantastic. Fit was a hundred, a hundred. Oh yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Fantastic. But yeah. So that's why, yeah, if we teach the kids, maybe they'll grow up and change, change the percentage. Yeah,

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exactly. That

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would be 20 instead of

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flipping around. Yeah. Yep. And so here's the other thing that I – So, I learned this. There's a workout program that I haven't done in a long time, but it's called P90X.

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Terrible stuff.

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Yeah. So, we're not sponsored by them yet. No, I'm just kidding. That's what Brent would say, yet. So, we're not sponsored by them or anything, but I just remember the guy, I can't remember his name, Tony something or other, would always say like, I can't remember if it was 30 minutes or 45 minutes or whatever, but you can do anything on like an exercise of 10 minutes or whatever like you can do anything for 10 minutes and it is a cool concept because it was like push push push you know and so that's kind of what like we can do anything for an hour is what I have on the notes is you can do anything for one hour because most Sunday schools not all but most are about an hour you know and so I know that there's some variations to that but so if and this applies I think like If you're sick now, I mean, if you're sick, you're going to get other people sick. Then, yeah, stay home. But if you're just, you know, a little bit sniffly or something or, you know, in the morning, it's it's worse. Right. Anyway, so Sunday morning, you wake up. Oh, I don't know. I don't feel good. You know, especially because we do a practice and at 830 in the morning. But if you're a little bit sick or if you're just you're not feeling it, you know, you're just like, oh, it's not in the groove or. Whatever. And I know that there's all that is happening. I'm not trying to minimize it necessarily. All that stuff happens. I mean, it happens to me and I'm the Sunday school leader and it happens to me, but yeah. It's like, okay, can I push through this? It's one hour. One hour is not long at all. It's not

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long. It flies by. I mean, unless you're working out, then it's the

SPEAKER_00 19:25

longest hour you've ever had in your life. But then it's like, and it's not only, it's broken up even more because we have all of our segments, you know, and it flies by because you're doing three minutes. You know, I mean, there's something like the Bible story is usually around 10 minutes, but most of our segments are like three or four minutes. So it's like jam-packed that hour is full of stuff yeah it's it's it gets hectic which is awesome yeah you know and so it just yeah by the time usually when it's done now like I think was it last week we had to do filler yeah last year to do filler because we had there was a long altar service but we rarely have to do filler we usually are like don't get to finish the script and we're like oh man it's done you know Yeah, last week was definitely a little different, a little longer. I've got a, we did a podcast once, I think Brother Arter and I, called The Buck Stops Here. If you, you know, if we could have our Sunday school leaders and teachers take that attitude, like, okay, if I don't do this, it's going to fall apart. So I got to make this happen.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, it all, you know, it comes down to, like we talked about in the beginning, outlook. Like, you know, we could definitely push through some, well, I was trying to think of some fun act and bowling came to mind, but that's not fun at all to me. Oh. In fact, that's an hour that drags for me. Oh, really? I don't know. I'm trying to think of something right off. Paintball, and I love paintball. Okay, there we go. I do it like once every three years, but it's a lot of fun and it flies by. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes at work, if you're busy, it flies by, but if you're slow, it is the worst thing. Oh, it's brutal. Yes. It takes all day. Yeah. But, you know, if you're looking for stuff to do instead of just sitting there twiddling your thumbs, then it, I mean, you could make it, you know, it goes by so

SPEAKER_00 21:55

fast. It's crazy. Well, I grew up in the construction industry and so now I work in my living room, which is kind of a, the other extreme, but, but I, I'm pretty busy, but I've always thought about being a flagger. I've had to do it a couple of times, but. Oh, that's terrible. That would, and I, Shout out to all the flaggers that might listen to this, but oh my goodness, I wouldn't be able to do it. I

SPEAKER_01 22:22

just, oh. Yeah, because I don't think you can let, I think you got to have your comms open so you can hear the other guy. So you're just sitting there. Yeah, you can't listen to music

SPEAKER_00 22:31

or stories. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Not putting down any flaggers, but oh, that's got to be a

SPEAKER_01 22:40

tough job. Yeah, there's no way I could do it. Same with some of the workers in like, The Bread Factory, I can't think of the name of it right now, but we did a tour when we were in school. Oh, yeah, like Friends Bakery or something, was it? No, where Brother Arter works. Oh, yeah. Millard's. Or it used to be Millard's. Lineage, yeah. Lineage. Lineage, yeah. Yeah, it's like they just stand at a machine and make sure the bread is not twisted up or something. I can't remember. It's been so long. Oh, wow. But there were some people we knew that worked in there, and they just kind of stood at this machine and conveyor belt. Oh. Oh, my

SPEAKER_00 23:21

goodness. to uncover. So anyway, it's not like tonneau covers. It's more like, I don't know, something else. Anyway, so it was like a factory setting. Now, it was doing the same thing over and over, but there was movement. And you know, I came out of the construction industry, so I, I'm used to air tools and all this stuff. So I kind of had a leg up, you know, they were like, oh, this newbie. And I mean, it took me no time to get a handle on like the stapler and stuff. And, uh, in fact, I remember the guy training me and we were all, I mean, everybody, it was just teenagers, you know? And he was like, he's like, it's going to take you a long time to like learn how to do this. And he was showing me how to hook the air hose up and stuff. And I was like, oh, okay. I was like, well, I, I, uh, I have a construction background. He's like, Oh, Oh, okay. And then I did the stapler. He's like, Oh yeah. Okay. You're getting it. Yeah. But I remember even with that, I, um, it didn't, it didn't fit very well because I was like trying to push and get things done, you know? And I stepped on a lot of toes by doing that. I was younger than a lot of people. And, uh, but I mean, I, in construction, I was a former when I was 16 years old. So I was used to leadership from, from an early age. standpoint. So we had, I'll just kind of make up some of these numbers because I can't remember exactly, but there was a quota of something like 25 that you were supposed to get done, you and your partner. You're supposed to get that many done. And so there was one point when I was leaving for vacation the next day. And so I had told my partner, I was like, we're going to, we're going to make a record, you know, of quota or something. So at the end of the shift, And it was like six to two 30 or something. Uh, so it was pretty early, but at the end of the shift, I remember there was, everybody was gathered around our table, like cheering us on. And we did something, we, we did more than double the quota. So it is like 52 or something. Yeah. So it was pretty cool. I bet that felt pretty good. Yeah. It felt, it felt awesome. I, you know, the night shift like knew who I was even, but, and so, and I just, I, it's not that I was really special. It's just that I had wanted, I had an advantage of a dad that put me to work at 14 years old, you know, and taught me some work ethic. Yeah. Having Christian values

SPEAKER_01 26:14

applied to your life growing up is huge. Huge. It is super big, especially, you know, I imagine, you know, I, you're a little older than I am. So, I mean, just a little bit, just a little bit, but I, I don't know how it was back then. I say back, Trying to be careful. Yeah, easy

SPEAKER_00 26:46

now. Like, and of course our pastors are super hard worker, but some of the young guys that like, you know, just started coming to church or whatever, when they first start coming in, it's just like, they're like, you know, Adrian, my son, he's 16 and he's a really hard worker and he's a good worker. And so they'll be around. And it's just like, we, we put a lot of value. This is our culture, I guess, you know, but we put a lot of value on hard work. And so it's kind of like they come around and like, Oh yeah, we're going to go work at the church. Yeah. It's going to be fun. It is.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah. I can't wait till all these younger guys get into the workforce and just outshine all the other 16, 17 year olds. Cause they're going to. Oh

SPEAKER_00 27:46

yeah. Well, yeah. They've all come a long ways. The ones I'm thinking of, I'm not going to name names, but there's, there's like three or four of them that I'm thinking of that are, or have not been in church super long, but they, uh, they're just, they're coming along and

SPEAKER_01 28:01

learning how to work. Yeah, learning how, you know, some of them, you know, they don't know what to do, but they try. Yeah, they don't have the skills, but they are getting the ethic. Yeah, they're getting the ethic and they're getting the skills. Yes. But man, when you see someone without skills and no work ethic. Yeah. It's like, get out of the way. What are you doing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yeah. I'm one that's probably bad for that. I definitely am like, I put a pretty high value on hard work. So when I don't, when somebody's around that doesn't work hard, it just drives me nuts. All right. Well, the last bullet point here is, is I have the second mile is enjoyable. And so, you know, we talked about, you can do anything for an hour. So if you can push through your sickness, your bad mood, you're not feeling it, whatever you push through that, then you might find that you actually have fun. You know what I mean? I always say motivation is a byproduct of doing. And so once you get into it and you just start rolling, then it has like a compound effect.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

Yeah. There's motivation that just comes out of nowhere. It seems, it's crazy. Like just cleaning your room, you know, it's like you see a room, it's like, eh, I don't really want to fold my clothes because, oh man, I hate folding clothes. I could do laundry all day, but I don't know what it is about folding clothes. It seems

SPEAKER_00 29:31

like such a

SPEAKER_01 29:31

waste. It is just like, sometimes I'll just sort it, socks over here, just put them in little piles. But it's like, once you start going and you know, I'll listen to a story or something but like it's like as soon as I'm done folding the clothes it's like man what can I what can I do next yeah you're out cleaning your car yeah that's what happens that's actually I ended up to me last week so next

SPEAKER_00 29:58

time I'll do podcast I'll be like don't clean your room

SPEAKER_01 30:02

well yeah I started out I got home from work and I was like I was like you know I don't really like how my place is looking right now I haven't swept in a while started sweeping and then I then I I started, you know, vacuuming everything. Then I started wiping everything down. And then I was like, I could change out my headlights real quick. Yeah. Four and a half hours later.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Well, and in Sunday school, I think that it's kind of that way, whether it be humor or, well, okay. Costumes is a good example. Like if, if we're doing something on the fly, especially, you know, like, oh, here. Okay. So if I'm leading praise, for example, and I'm doing something on the fly, I'll usually, like a couple weeks ago, I grabbed, we hadn't even used it yet, but my mom made these like crazy suits that are, got music print on them. Did you see that? When I wore that? Oh, I didn't. Is that the one, the sailor one? You wore the sailor one? Oh, maybe. It's like white, but with black music notes. And does it have a blue eye? No, I don't think it has a blue thing on it. Anyway, it has pants and a jacket, like a long jacket. So I was like, oh man, this will fit over my, you know, I have that crazy suit I wear for Sunday school. So it'll fit over and I don't even have to take my shoes off. So I slipped that on and put the jacket on. Then I was like, and you should grab me some glasses that match, you know, or whatever. Oh, give me some hair. Oh, give me a hat too. And so, you know, I got this wig, a hat, glasses, you know. And so that's how a lot of times in Sunday school, if we have time, you know, it compounds. It's like, it's like the bare minimum. Like, okay, give me one of the hats, you know, and I'll go out. praise team but then if you're you're into it and you're rolling and you're like oh give me this give me that give me give me this prop well costume

SPEAKER_01 31:51

alone that motivates me at least you know if i've got a full costume on like that like it helps

SPEAKER_00 31:58

develop your character yeah

SPEAKER_01 31:59

it's like exciting it's like whether you goofy you just grabbing random stuff or or you're a you know a solid just solid character because you know we have certain solid characters yeah it's like i don't know it it It puts you away and

SPEAKER_00 32:17

brings out. Yeah, you can hide behind the character. Exactly. So it puts

SPEAKER_01 32:20

old sick Brennan away.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah. Now you can be Sammy or whoever. Yeah. You know, it's funny because I always, when I was younger, I loved costumes. You know, I would wear, if I was going to be a police, I had to have my police outfit or soldier. I had to have my soldier outfit, whatever. You know, I loved costumes. And of course my mom used to sew a lot. So she would make me these goofy costumes, you know, but, um, my son, Adrian, when he was little, loved costumes, had a whole bunch. And then he has some of his own, but he inherited a bunch of Adrian's, my youngest son, Ashton, which I seen him on the way here. It is construction construction there. His friend are out there working. And so of course he's got his costume on and he's got all kinds. He's got like three or four police costumes. So when his cousins come over here, like have them all laid out he folds them lays them all out and you know tells them you're gonna wear this one you're gonna wear that one yeah it's pretty awesome stuff so yeah costumes are great all right well just to recap here so we're talking about going the extra mile we kind of got off a little bit on costumes but changing your outlook is a big one so if you can change change how you're looking at the task instead of like I got to do this, you know. Yeah, I get to do it. Learn how to say no. Unless it's a podcast and it's pretty easy. Yeah. One of these days we're going to batch one of these. We're going to do like three of them all in one night. Just me and you. Just knock them out. Like, all right, done for the year. Let's go. And then you could do anything for one hour. Just push through it, get it done, do it. And then you might find that that second mile is actually more enjoyable, that you might actually have some motivation and get something done and actually like it.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Yeah, I don't know about that one. It looks like we're over time. We need to cut that. All

SPEAKER_00 34:56

right, well,

SPEAKER_01 34:56

that's a wrap.

UNKNOWN 35:01

That was the tough one.