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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids' ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids' ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Kyle. How's it going? Good, good. Glad to be back. It's been a while. Yeah, glad to have you back on. Here we are backstage. So what are we talking about today? Today's topic is imposter syndrome. Imposter syndrome. So have you ever finally stepped out and taken a risk only to be knocked down? Sound like I'm doing an ad. Maybe you decided to speak up for once and someone gives you that look, you know, the look that says, who do you think you are? Especially like somebody you know, right? Here in our church, I have had the privilege or whatever you want to call it, of being a pioneer in many of our endeavors. And so some have been a success, some have been failures. So, I'm very familiar with this phenomenon known as the, quote, imposter syndrome. And so, it might be defined in various ways, but in essence, what we're talking about is when you step out of your comfort zone and you just want to turn right around and go back to it because you feel like a fraud. You feel like, you know, you're just faking it.

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Right, right. I'm not sure how much you think about the people that you choose for the different topics for episodes, but I really This topic for me in particular, it really hits home. I chose you because I thought you were an imposter. No. I'm just faking it till I make it, brother. I actually had somebody tell me that one time in church. That's terrible. But so I wasn't born and raised in church, and I don't want to go too deep into my testimony, but I've been in church now. This year in July will be 13 years.

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Oh, wow. That's

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cool. And so coming out of the world, atheist, alcoholic, drug user, and I know that not everybody at the time knew my history, but they knew that I wasn't normal. I wasn't born and raised in church. And so they knew a little bit about me. And the very first time I felt, you know, God kind of called me into the ministry and called me into being more involved in church. You know, I had these thoughts in my mind too. I didn't even hear it from anybody in the church. I didn't hear anything negative, but it was just my mind. It was like, what do you even think you're doing? Like you weren't raised in this. Who are you to say anything about God? I mean, you didn't even believe in him a year and a half, two years ago. You didn't feel like you were qualified. Right. And so The moment I stepped out and started actually teaching a Bible study, there was weeks where it was going well, and then weeks where nobody showed up. And then it was like, aha, see, this is what happens when you're a hypocrite and imposter. And I'm like, oh my goodness, what have I really done? And I think back now, because that still happens today. I think no matter how far you get, you're always going to have these moments in your humanity where you're like, I'm not good enough or whatever. And we see that with Paul. So everybody's very familiar with the conversion of Paul on his road to Damascus. And immediately God calls him. into the ministry. It doesn't take days, months, years. It's like immediately he wants them to go down to begin to do a work for him. And here he was like, yeah,

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just awful or whatever.

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And I think about that in Acts chapter 9. And then we see in Romans chapter 7 where Paul, even Paul himself, who wrote so much of the New Testament, did so many amazing things starting all these churches. He even had these moments where he questioned himself and like if he was even good enough. And there's those well-known verses that all of us have a hard time reading through where Paul Yeah, yeah. good enough the Bible says none of us are righteous you know but God still called us to do a work for him

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so yeah no that's really good in fact that brings up something that I I didn't even put on the notes but it reminds me of a concept of you know sometimes we can look at like and I've talked about this before but who am I to do this you know like you're saying who am I I'm so insignificant but if you think about I think Seth Godin writes about this But if you think about a lifeguard, okay, lifeguards there beside at the pool or the beach or whatever, wherever they are, and somebody starts drowning, it's different because, you know, who am I to be, you know, the cool lifeguard sitting in the chair? Who am I to be like, you know, there's swimmers that are better than me. Who am I to try to say that I can save lives? There's other people that can do a better job than I can. I, you know, I just learned how to swim. You know, last year, I just barely took my CPR class. But when there's somebody drowning, they don't care. You have a responsibility. All that goes out the window and you jump in and you do your job. And so I think that like what you're saying is if we can remember, it's not about me. And I've, you know, I read a lot of books and I read a lot of Maxwell, John C. Maxwell. And I remember something he said about speaking. public speaking. And when he goes in to speak somewhere, if he's thinking about himself, like, I want these people to like me, what can I do to make myself look good or whatever? You tend to be really, really nervous. Right. And you tend to also not look as cool. Yeah. But when you are thinking of the audience and what, how can I help them? What can I do to provide value?

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Well, and especially in the kingdom too, I think one thing is important to remember is that when we're reaching out, whether it be in a big church and we have adults coming in or even in our children's church and we have kids coming in that are on the bus, you have a testimony for a reason. And I think it gives people a reassurance, like I'm in the right place because so-and-so, they have a story like me. They know what it's like to be where I'm at or they've come out of this bad situation that I feel like right now is hopeless, but that person did it and they did it through God. So that's a testimony for me. And that's what I had when I came to our church. I had a lot of questions like, is this the right place? And one of the things that always stood out to me was that there's so many testimonies in this church and so many people that can connect with where I'm at right now in my life. And that testifies to what God's church is supposed to be. I didn't even believe in God at the time, but it was like, if God is real, this is what his church is supposed to look like. This is what it looks. Or somebody else.

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is jumping in, you know, with both feet and being fully invested. And I guess it's kind of like you have the right because you are a child of God. And so we don't, you know, we don't want people like saying, okay, well, I'm going to go preach, you know, if you're not called to preach. You know, we're not talking about that. We're not talking about overstepping boundaries. But as far as, you know, being nervous, sitting in the corner, or even people that say, I don't know if I could do even Sunday school, you know, even those kids. We're talking about, you know, hey, step out. You do have something to offer. Right. You're not meant to, you know, be blessed with the kingdom of God and just share that with others. Yeah. That's not what our purpose is. And this kind of

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goes into that second point that you had where talent is overrated. Now, sure, it's great to have talent and ability, but nobody with what we would call talent got there on accident or by not practicing or not putting everything they have into it. And I don't like to point any kind of fingers at the sports world necessarily because I don't want to glorify them in any way. But if you look at all the people who are really well-known in any kind of athletics, like professional athletics, they didn't get there on accident. It wasn't they just like tripped into it. Yeah. They have immense talent. You think about basketball players like Michael Jordan and, you know, football players like Jerry Rice or whatever. These guys were well-known because of the hard work. Yeah. They didn't

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have the talent. They're talented, but they're Right. And they had a

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belief in themselves. And that's that kind of the other point that you had is that it's not talent is overrated, that you have to have that belief in yourself. And for those of us as Christians, if we want to tie this back into the kingdom is remember who's actually doing the work. You're just being obedient, but it's God's spirit inside of you that's performing the miracles, quote unquote. If you think about the apostles, they were commissioned to go out and he gave them, Jesus gave them the abilities to actually, you know, cast out demons and to heal people like that. But it wasn't them that was doing it. It was the power of God inside of them. So for those of us, we don't need to worry. Oh, I'm not the best singer. I'm not the best guitar player. Well, are you obedient? Are you filled with the Holy Ghost? If that is the case, if you're following after God's will for your life, He will work through you. You can talk to any preacher out there. I've talked to many. And I'm like, man, that was such a great word. Like, how did you do that? It's like, oh, it's all because of God. It's all because of God. The pastor himself will talk about he's more of an introvert. He doesn't like putting all this stuff out there. He's not confrontational. Right. But his talent on the platform is second to none. And that's all because he's following after the will of God. And he's allowing himself to be a willing vessel so that God can use him in whatever way he wants to. And when we do that, that's where the talent comes from. It doesn't come from us. It comes from God.

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It comes from God blessing us. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I made a little note while you were talking. I remember Brother Bo preaching here at one of our conferences a couple of years ago at our Forward Conference. Brother Ken And I had I was asking for his title. We usually do some kind of graphic, you know, for the title. And so and he was kind of joking with me about he didn't know what he was, you know, what his title was or something. But and he says something like, if you think of a good one, let me know. So, yeah, right. That's a lot of pressure. But it was funny. And I don't know. I feel like surely there was a little bit of joking in this. But he said something. that kind of struck me. And here's Brother Bo, who has traveled the world, preached all over. Powerful messages. Yeah, powerful, powerful messages. I respect him so much. And he said, he told me, he's like, I'm so nervous. And I, you know, it's hard to know how much of that was real or joking. But I was like, here's this man that has preached, a man of God, renowned man of God, you know, preached all over. And here's our conference. And he's like, I'm so nervous. But regardless whether he was joking or not, I have heard people talk about, you know, even outside of the apostolic realm, just interviews and things where people like, you know, I referenced John Maxwell earlier, people like that that are on the world stage and say like that they were nervous or had butterflies or whatever. And to me, that's comforting because, you know, I get nervous. Oh, yeah. And so it's comforting to know like, oh, okay, well, they're the best. Right. You know, they're at the top and they still deal with, you know.

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I think about that too because every time that I either teach a Bible study, I do chapel at our Christian school here on Thursdays. Every single time I get nervous a lot and I have a secret to the nervousness. I put a cough drop in. It helps keep me from getting like dry cotton mouth so I'm like coughing. I remember the first time I did chapel. Maybe that's why I have cotton mouth right now. Maybe I'm nervous because I didn't like coughing. I don't have my comfort. I don't have I have my cough drop right now, so I'm trying to fight it too. But I remember the very first chapel I did, I was just like dry throat. I think I drank an entire bottle of water in like a 10 minute span because I was just like, I couldn't breathe. And so I get super nervous. And afterwards I beat myself up. I'm like, why did I get so nervous? Like I forgot to say this or I forgot to say that. But then I do remember those powerful men of God that have preached powerful messages and I've heard them, Brother Bo, I've heard him say that as well. And I've heard other ministers too. And I think back Back to the scripture in Proverbs chapter 3 and starting in verse 5 where it says, That's where the difference is made, I believe, where it goes from being like, it's all on your shoulders. And yeah, there's probably that people that can get through and it's like amazing and powerful, but how much more of a difference can it make when your trust is all in God? And then he has the ability to use you in a way that you can never even imagine.

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Yes. Yeah. Well, and it's funny that you mentioned that about the school, because I've talked about it here on the podcast many times, but I have seen so many. And I remember, and the reason I say remember is because I don't, I think now, and I don't, this might be a bad thing but I don't get nervous at in our Sunday school now I find myself on stage quite a bit and I do get nervous right at different venues but in our Sunday school I don't really get nervous and so but I see it all the time we have a large staff that rotates through so some people haven't been in Sunday school for several weeks and so I see even even though it's you know quote just kids they get nervous you know and they're like no And then the other thing too with that is, especially younger staff, is there's nerves, like being a character is easier than actually talking to the kids. Right. And I'm an actor and it's, I do get nervous, but I mean, that's way different than like at our conference that I just mentioned, I have to go up and do announcements or something. And it's like, I have no character to hide behind, you know, it's just me.

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And I can usually tell when you do that, like it's, you're super nervous. Like you can lead a service, which I love when you lead service and you don't do it very often, especially these days. But, but I can tell where the conference, like all you're doing is going out there and doing like announcements about like what the youth are going to do afterwards. But I can just tell because I know you. I'm like, oh, brother, Gabe's nervous. And it's so kind of fun for me to see because usually like you're in Sunday school, like just getting through it all. No problem. Not even an ounce of nervousness. You're on the spot all the time. If something gets tripped up or somebody forgets a line or we got to take extra time, you're just on it. Even with now with like sound and different things when it comes to Heart of Christmas, all that stuff. So, yeah, it's like all your brother Gabe gets nervous. That makes me

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feel

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better about

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myself. Yeah, I hate it. I go up there and, and now it's, it's a thing, I guess, you know, cause I always have to do it, but all the preachers are, are there, you know what I mean? That I respect so much. And, and, uh, it's, you know, last year, I guess it's getting a tiny bit better, but I, in fact, I had, I think a couple of years ago, brother Bo made a compliment to me and that just really helped a lot. This is kind of a

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rabbit trail, but it just reminded me. So, uh, for October conference, it wasn't this recent one, but the one before that we We usually do nine singers, which now we're doing nine singers in all of our services. But I sing on the platforms. For that October conference, I was one of the singers in tenor, and I had the corded mic. And we haven't had corded mics besides those moments for a long time. And so it was kind of weird to hold it. And I'm nervous. And I'm standing next to Brother Booker, Larry Booker. Oh, yes. He's a huge guy in Pentecost and just powerful. And he's literally like my legs touching his leg as we're worshiping. So I'm trying to be careful for that. Yeah. And at one point during the worship service, somehow Brother Aaron stepped on the cord for the mic and it pulled it right out of my hand and it hit the ground really hard. And I'm just like, I don't think anybody's like looked at me or anything. I just like picked it up. But you felt like the whole congregation was looking at you probably. And I'm like, Brother Booker's sitting right here next to me. I feel so dumb. He's going to probably think I'm an idiot. And then I think he said something along the lines, like we went to go shake hands afterwards and shook his hand. He's like, don't worry, brother. He's like, I even get nervous. And I wasn't even nervous, but he was just letting me know, like, it's okay, like stuff happens. But I was like, oh man, that was, that was pretty funny. But I think this kind of ties into this next note that you have too, is that I think when we're nervous, a couple of things can be going through our mind. But one of them is that you really think like everybody is just like thinking about you, worried about what you do. They're all looking at me. that they are just waiting for you to mess up so they can either say something to you personally about it or, you know, if you happen to be leading a service. I can think of one person, individual. And maybe pastor's not there. I haven't had to deal with this, but I know you have where maybe you're leading a service and they're just waiting for that moment for you to do something. They can text Pastor Burgess in that moment. You wouldn't believe it. Yes, there probably is that one or two. But overall, for the most part, people are not that focused and waiting for you to mess up. They're not that concerned with your background. In fact, like I said earlier, besides that, though, I have given my testimony quite a few times because of Heart of Christmas and Bible study. There's many people that have no idea about everything I've been through in my life or all the different ups and downs, every sin I've ever committed, things like that. They don't know all this stuff. So they're not worried about that so much. They're not like, oh, you know, Brother Gabe shouldn't be up there because the other day he got mad and started yelling at people.

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They don't know that much about your life. And they're not thinking about that. And I wrote a little note is what's what's the worst that can happen is, you know, we get up there and we're just like, we get so nervous about, you know, what if, what if I choke up? What if I, you know, whatever. And the thing is, is those things do happen. Right. I've, I remember a long time ago forgetting a line in Heart of Christmas and, and, and the audience knew it because we were like, I believe we forgot our lines. I remember that. Yeah. And so, but the thing is, is like, you're not that important and people aren't They're not still thinking about it. You are for a year. Right. People, they walk out that night and they forgot about it already, you know. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And so you can realize, and it goes both ways, realize you're not all that important when you start thinking that you're something.

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Right. Like we talked about earlier with the Apostle Paul, like you don't think that when he was first converted and he was out there preaching a completely different message than he had previous, there wasn't people that might've said something to him and there might've been murmurings in the crowd or like, oh, who's this guy to even tell us anything? You don't think he dealt with that? Well, of course he did, but that didn't stop him. So I had a little notice like, who cares? Even if people are saying something about you, do you want that to be the thing that keeps you from following the will of God for your life? Do you want that to be the thing that stops you from having an impact on the kingdom? And when we talk about like Sunday school, do you want that to be the thing that keeps you from potentially being the person that saves that child that comes to our Sunday school?

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Well, and I do think that it's, you know, I don't try to spiritualize everything. But I do think that sometimes, you know, we think of the devil using tools and some, some of them are overt. We think that we think of, but I do think that that can be a tool of the devil is somebody is just, they're not like, it's not that evil or anything, or they even have bad intentions, but they can make comments that make you say, well, they think that, okay, well, I'll never speak again, you know? And so, and then the devil is one at that point. And

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it's always an area that you're most vulnerable in, And that's how you know it's the device of the devil, because he knows all those little areas that you're weakest in. And so it's never going to be someone that's going to make fun of you or say something about you in an area that you're confident in. It's always going to be a place that you already have a little bit of an uneasy feeling about. And so then it comes out. So it validates it. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then you're just like, oh, there it is right there. That's all. I can't do it no more. And, you know, just I've been in this like transparency vein for a while, and maybe that might make people look down on me a little bit. But, you know, this happened recently and I was actually to I'm debating whether to talk about this, and you can feel free to cut this out, but a few services ago, we had, in the Sunday morning service, we had Gifts of Tongues come forth in the service, and sorry, I'm getting a little emotional about it, but God allowed me an opportunity to be used to interpret that service. And we've had a few services since then where the Gifts of Tongues came forth in our service. And to be totally transparent, there's been a couple services where I felt God speaking to me that He wanted to use me in that service to interpret. And what came around, even though on the outside people think, oh, Brother Kyle's confident. He teaches Bible studies. And I wasn't at the time. I was individuals, but I was doing chapel at the time. I'm on the platform and things like that and singing. But even then in those moments, I allowed that doubt and that question to get into my mind and to keep me from being used in that situation.

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so we always have to be aware that those little shortcomings, those little places we are most vulnerable, we have to strengthen ourselves in those places and continue to work in those areas all the time. That's why you see the Apostle Paul's saying, I have to die daily. It's because he knows that there's areas of weakness in himself and his flesh. And if we don't address those areas, we can have moments, even when everybody thinks we're the most confident, where we allow those self-doubts and those questions to come around. Because what would happen would be like, well, if I do this, and then people will be like, oh, that's Brother Kyle. Who's he to say this kind of stuff, where he came from and things like that. And that's what I allowed to happen. But this year, it just has always been affecting me when that happened and I didn't answer God's call. And so this This time, a pastor actually came over the pulpit and said, Yeah, yes. Yeah.

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That's man. That's good. That's good. And it's, it goes back to, uh, it's not about us. It's not about me. Right. Um, it's not about me being something that's just super cool that people look at. It's about furthering the kingdom. Right.

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And you think about those people that may have not been reached in those moments when you didn't answer God's call. Think about if the apostle Paul hadn't answered God's call on the road to Damascus and maybe hadn't written all those books of the new Testament, but somebody else stepped in probably, but who knows what kind of impact that would have had. Who knows what kind of direction things would have gone if he had not answered the call. And so I think about that personally for myself. It's like, if I, if I don't listen to God, if I don't follow his will, like who's going to be impacted in a negative way because I refuse.

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Because you didn't. Yeah. And, or if you didn't like give it your all, you know, if you're kind of like, what's the story about the striking the arrows on the ground, you know, he smites three times and prophet was angry at him. Right. And so, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's so much if, if we can, And I know that people look at me kind of like what you said, you know, in the same way, because I'm I'm up front a lot, a lot more than I want to be. I'm I'm by nature. I'm a backstage person. That's no

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one would ever guess. But you're in everything.

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And like when we started Heart of Christmas, our big event, I think it was in 2008. I I kind of I directed and ran a bunch of it backstage and I was hardly on stage. In fact, I believe the first year I wasn't on stage at all. I ran everything, coordinated it, and it looked a lot different than it does now. And so that's where I'm a logistics. I'm comfortable figuring out the ins and outs and the intricacies of making something work and happen and all the dynamics of the actors and the singing. And so when people see me, they see me up front all the time. And so they're just like, oh, yeah, well, you can do that. And memorizing lines, I mean, it's kind of like what you said earlier I mean, not that I'm the master at it, but Joey and I, whether Joey Buggs and I are on stage with a lot of things. We do a lot of skits. I think I'm going to go down and help him here in a couple of weeks with a skit. And we memorize all kinds of stuff, but it's work. There's work that happens behind the scenes. It's not like we're just super good at memorizing. We work at

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it. I think this ties in. This is what I think about when I look at you, brother, because I look up to you a lot and all the different areas that you're involved in. I'm trying to catch up to you. And so I'm involved myself and a lot more things but I don't know if I could ever get there I guess there's so much stuff to do but it kind of ties into this last point on here and one thing that you are that is so something I looked up to so much is that you're very humble and even though you have all this ability like one thing that people don't realize is that you're a really good drummer like you haven't been on the drums in a really long time it's been a long time really good years probably and you have the ability to do all these other things that you don't even do and then on top of that you have all this other stuff that you are doing that you're really good at. Like you've gotten, I said something the other day about your, uh, the titles that you're doing now is just like so awesome. Like to watch you work, it's just like watching Picasso put a painting in it. It's so awesome. But like for you, like you're always humble. You're never, I've never seen one lick of arrogance out of you, even though you have all this ability, like people don't really talk to you with construction. Like you could construct something that's like out of nothing. It's amazing to watch. But if we want to be used by God, we have to remain humble. Exactly. We We have to. And that's not like you have this in this note. That's not sitting quietly in the corner and just like, oh, I'm not going to do anything. I'm being humble. Yes. The actual definition is having or showing a modest or low esteem of one's own importance. That's not saying that you shouldn't view yourself as valuable.

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Right. It's just

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that you're not looking at yourself as more important than the task. You're not looking at yourself as more valuable than the person you're trying to reach an outreach. You're not looking at yourself as more valuable than that bus kid that might come in that has never been in church. And I try to tell my kids this all the time is like, you're not any better than that kid. It's just because you were born and raised in church. Right. You're just an advantage. Right. Keep yourself humble because if you don't humble yourself, God will humble you. And that's the last

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thing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I, and we put that note on there, be confident and be humble because, you know, this imposter syndrome kind of what we're addressing is maybe some of those that don't feel confident enough, but But there is the flip side where somebody is like, okay, well, I'm going to step out. And they said, you know, be confident. But, yeah, being confident doesn't mean, I put a note, that you don't take heed from others. You know, you do take others' advice. But, yeah, being humble doesn't mean you sit in a corner. And one example I think of is our friend, Brother Philip Booker. Brother Philip Booker is amazing. I mean, he travels all over. He does Sunday school.

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So good for Sunday school.

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Yeah. In his own Sunday school, it's awesome. He comes here to our conference in August and helps out. And I collaborate with him on several different things, projects. And he's just, he is so incredible, but he is so humble. Oh, man, yeah. It's funny because I'm with him sometimes in groups of people from around the nation or something. And every time, invariably, there's going to be a compliment that comes forth. And he's just, he's so humble all

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the time. Yeah. I noticed too, he's really willing to like give out compliments to other people, which I think is a sign of being humble. Like your willingness to like recognize somebody else is doing well or just maybe even recognize maybe somebody's having a hard time and he's just, he'll say a little random things like, oh, that was really awesome. Or I can't, I could never have done that or things like that. And you're like, I don't know what you're talking about, brother. Sunday school related, you could definitely do it. So he's always very humble, but he's also confident because he knows what he's presenting is true. Yeah. He knows what he's doing is the will of God. And he knows that as long as he remains obedient and follows the direction that God has intended, that everything's going to work out just fine. Even if it seems chaotic, even if it seems like, oh, today's not a good day for me. That's where that confidence comes from. And I have a little note that says confidence is not arrogance. So you can be confident without being arrogant. And confident is just knowing, one, I'm in the will of God. Two, I have the ability. And three, when it all is said and done, even if I mess up, it's okay because I'm human and everybody makes mistakes. Yeah. And

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so. Yeah. And he's an example of one that like, you know, like I said, being humble doesn't mean you have to sit quietly in the corner. He, Brother Booker is so humble, but yet he's doing the work of God. He's not sitting in a corner. He's going

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out

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and

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doing it. And he would probably be the first to say as well, just like many of us will say that's not his comfort zone necessarily. That's kind of beyond what you see on the stage is not necessarily him, what he would be at home. I mean, he's a little bit quirky and goofy, but. Yeah. But he just knows that's what God wants him to do. And so when you look at him on stage, you're like, man, he just seems super confident and all this stuff. And that's because he's just doing what God wants him to do. And that's where you find your true joy. So that's why he seems so happy and joyful because he is because he's followed what God has wanted him to do. And he has so much joy in it because of that. And that just oozes out to everybody else. And that's the other thing I didn't write down. But this humbleness and confidence when you're doing the right thing, when you're following the will of God, it affects It

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affects everybody in a positive way. You know, everyone started somewhere. And it's, you know, a lot of times we look at somebody that is quote unquote talented and they started somewhere and there's a lot of work that goes in behind that talent. A lot of mistakes that happen along the road. Yeah. And then number three, people don't think about you anyway. So stop being worried about what people think because they're not spending all that much time on you.

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Just because those two sisters are talking to each other and then they happen to glance at you across the church doesn't mean they're talking about

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you.

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Doesn't mean they're

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talking about you. Oh, yes. And then be confident and be humble. At all times, confidence and humbleness. Yeah, sure. 100%. All right. Well, I think that's a wrap. Awesome.

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That was good.