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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your backstage pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Arter. How's it going? Good morning. Good. All right. Well, you want to tell the audience our topic today? We want you. We want you. Yes. Picture the old, it was Uncle Sam poster, right? Yes. And brother, you had a great idea. If we did a graphic for this, it could be like Jesus pointing the finger. Finger point out. We want you. So we have a lot of great staff in our Sunday school. And then, so sometimes I share pictures, you know, to people across the nation, whatever, you know, there's some different connections we have. And when various people see pictures from our Sunday school, I'm often asked, how do you have so many guys in your And so, and even just people, but so I'm often asked that. So we decided we should do a topic on this. So on any given Sunday, we have 10 staff, but our total staff is probably about, it's roughly 30 people. I think it's just, just over 30 people. And so we rotate the staff, but the driver is often who the characters are. And so there's some people get more time in Sunday school because based on their main character. a character or something. And then often also, if we're doing like a series like we are right now in the Bible story, then we try to keep the main characters the same, you know, like Joseph, the same person. Now we have had to rotate it out. You were Pharaoh in this, this is Joseph's story. And a few weeks ago you were out of town. So we did have to have somebody fill in and be Pharaoh. And so they wore the same costume that you had and everything to try to keep the continuity. But for the most part, we try to keep those same people. So today we want to talk about basically just some of the things we do to recruit and, and to, you know, develop a team.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Right. I think, uh, you know, kind of to hitchhike on, on what you said, keeping, keeping the, the characters kind of the same. I mean, from, from Bible story to Bible story, the Pharaoh is in several or, uh, you know, I, sometimes I play the old prophet, um, and they, they associate me with, with the, with those characters. Right. Exactly. You know, and, and, uh, You know, even when I see Sunday school kids or bus kids at the grocery store, they'll say, oh, mom, that's Pharaoh. That's Pharaoh. Yeah, that's cool. So it's good that we keep the, you know, the main characters the same because the kids can associate with that. But, you know, someone's going to have to replace me. Yeah. You know, so, you know, one of the great things about the way we do things is after, you know, we've talked about it on a previous podcast is some of the youth want to come back and be involved in Sunday school. So, you know, that's our opportunity to say, hey, we want you, you know, and then train them up and how to take our place because you're not going to be able to do this forever. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yeah. We talked about that a while back and keep the wheels turning. Yes. Yes. And yeah, about recruiting and even having a focus for those hearing kids. In fact, we have a spy in our midst today. Brother's granddaughter is here off mic, but maybe one day She'll be running Sunday school. All right. So it's important that you have a team. And we did talk about this on another podcast. And I basically said, you know, if you can do it by yourself, then your vision is too small. Yeah, much too small. So a couple of things on staff development. I have a note. Basically, when you do incredible things, you attract incredible people. Right. And so I think that sometimes people can settle, I guess. Yeah. for you know whoever just like oh yeah we'll take anybody and and we we kind of do but just like oh we'll take anybody and you get people that are maybe willing but not very skilled you know there's a saying that if you want to get something done find somebody that's busy there's a reason why people are busy right makes sense so we do you know for for us i guess some incredible things we do we do some really big you know themes um big big decor and everything and And so when people see it, a lot of times it's unexpected. They come upstairs and they're like, oh, wow, what's this about? And they want to be a part of it and be involved. And then I think also hand in hand with that, a key thing is that we have such strong support of our pastor. Yeah, we do. And so with that, anytime if the pastor is behind the vision, that helps your recruitment tremendously. Oh, of course. Because they see like, oh, our pastor is into And so they want to be a part of it and be involved. So I think that's one of the big things is doing, don't go small. And it might not look like our Sunday school. In fact, most don't. Most Sunday schools look a lot different. But I think that sometimes we can kind of just sit back and coast. I've been guilty of it. Sure. We can sit back and coast a little bit and we can do it. And there's a couple of ways we can do that. We can sit back and coast just in Sunday school. In our curriculum, in our presentation and however we're doing things. But then we can also sit back and coast on the recruitment. Right. You know, like we have 30 people that we can pull from, but I intend to recruit more, you know. Sure. And so now the downside obviously is that the more we have, the less people get to be in, you know, every month or every quarter or whatever. Right. But when people get that opportunity and they get to see it and then it branches into other things, events that we do and, you know, those other things, this Sunday school experience helps them. And I think it is actually helps people speak, you know, with public speaking.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Oh yeah. In church, you know, in front of people. Yeah. It, it puts, puts them in, you know, outside of their comfort zone for sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

You know, and, and you know, we've had some, had some young people that aren't very good when they start. Right. But, you know, after they've been in for a year and they're, I mean, they're frontline actors, so. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's pretty awesome to watch that development. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Yeah. And, you know the thing is it is just quote-unquote kids but uh you get nervous sometimes oh yeah you get up there and like oh and you know i don't as much anymore obviously but but yeah i totally understand that and you know i've talked about um oh i think with brother miles i was talking about there's a difference also of being able to be an actor you know in front of the kids versus talking to the kids right some people have a really hard time with that it's easier Sure. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So here's a couple of notes that I have is when you're recruiting, we could look at this really technically and all of that. But even the military, you know, we use the we want you thing. Yeah. Even the military, they have recruiters that are essentially salesmen. Yes. Right. And they're selling people on, you know, changing their life and all that. And so we have to be likable. It's not just about like, well, it's the work of God. They should want to do it. You know, people have to. John Maxwell says people buy into the leader first. Yes. And so you have to be likable because if you're not likable, it doesn't matter really. I mean, even if the ministry is thriving and awesome, people are going to have an aversion to

SPEAKER_00 8:21

working with you. It's like in that one of those notes that you have, you know, when they see me coming, do they run?

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 8:31

they run. Yeah. So, you know, it's being approachable and that's what helps if we're building our bench from within. You know, you get the, you know, I don't like to keep going back to this, but it's so true that, you know, the young people remember. It's like building an altar of remembrance, man. Sunday school was so fun. Man, Brother Baker, can I be involved? You know, so that's just a huge part of it. You know, when we do You need some warriors or some guards grabbing a bunch of Sunday school kids, and they remember that. They remember that, yeah. So I think that it makes it easier to recruit, and then after they do Sunday school, they're like some of our evangelists in the field. Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 9:19

exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Going through the proving ground, but it's rewarding to me as a Sunday school actor, teacher, facilitator to see that growth and them wanting to be involved. Yeah, they want to. Recruitment is easy if we do our part in being approachable and teaching. Because we're more than actors. We're teachers at the same time. So I think that plays a big part of remembering, man, Sunday school is cool. I want to be involved.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Yeah. Yep. And we do. We have that. I mean, it's so funny because we do ages 5 through 11. And when kids turn 12, I've had them on their last Sunday. ask when they can be a staff. Can I come back to Sunday school? Yeah. They want to just turn around and basically come back. And we don't really do that, but we do have some younger ones in that get to be staff. And then I was thinking about what you said earlier about that you have to be replaced eventually and I have to be replaced eventually. I think there's another side to that too. So like in the business world and I guess in church ministry If the one way that you can ensure your place or to be irreplaceable is to replace yourself. Because if you were constantly developing people to take over your job and move on to more expanding, that person is irreplaceable. I keep on referencing John Maxwell, but it's one thing to have leaders. It's great to have leaders. But when you have leaders that are developed other leaders, oh man, the growth is exponential. It's incredible. That's kind of what I've tried to do, you know, is to basically replace myself as much as I can. And I think, you know, basically right now, our Sunday school can totally run without me. And it's not just about running without me and having like you be in charge or somebody else be in charge necessarily. I do feel like there It's important to have leadership. But basically our team can mesh and they can make it happen.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, I think we're all a good fit.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah, yes. So then let's talk about some on the development side of it. Okay, we're going to do a training. I've been referencing it a little bit. So starting in hopefully either January or February, we're going to do an official training. And so I'm looking forward to that. We're going to share some of that on the podcast But it's going to be a training for our staff. And we have a lot of new people that I was mentioning this before that sometimes I can get frustrated. But then if I sit back, I think, wait, how would they even know that this is what you're supposed to do? You know, they're not just going to by osmosis or something. No. And so we need to train. We need to train people like this is how, you know, these are the best practices. This is how we do things. So the goal is more important than the role. So I'm going to talk a little bit about that. I think it's Jim Collins talks about getting the right people on the bus. And so I think that, and we're not talking about bus ministry with that. We're talking about staff. When you get people, okay, I'll use an example. Brother Brent. So Brother Brent, how long has he been in? Like three years now, I think, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Yeah, it seems like longer, but.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah. So I think he's only been in three years. So Brother Brent is somebody that's, I would say, is the right person, you know, to have on the bus and so when he was recruited it wasn't necessarily for anything specific it wasn't like hey we need you to be an actor although that's what he is right it wasn't anything super specific but the thing is is he's on board he has ideas he's bought really super cool costumes he has great decor ideas and so he's an example of having somebody you know the right person on the bus sure and so the goal is more important than the role it's not what seat necessarily that you're sitting on, we'll figure that out. Right. You know, we'll figure out what you're really good at. Um, Brennan, I mean, he's good at so many different things, but he's an awesome dunce. You know, he does, he does it so well. Um, and he does, I mean, he, he could do pretty much every role, but, um, so we just, you find the, the person's, you know, sweet spot, so to speak. But first thing is get the right people on the bus.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Because if they're on the bus and they're like, oh, I don't know, or I can only do this, or I don't know, They just don't see the vision or whatever. Well, it doesn't matter what role they have. They're just not going to thrive. Whereas if you get people that are interested just in Sunday school, they're interested in making it happen, then it doesn't matter what role you put them

SPEAKER_00 14:18

in. Right. And in that line of thinking, that person that isn't really catching the vision right away, and then there's one thing that just ignites that spark or that spark Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

something years ago about John Wooden. He was a famous UCLA basketball coach. Yeah. And he would, in the beginning of the season, when he first had recruited his players, he would have the play and he would watch and take notes and he would like, you know, okay, Scott or number 22, whatever, their shot is from here. This is their sweet spot. He would just notice the habits that they would do. And then what he would, and this is something they already had a leaning toward. This is something they already did, something they had already developed and he would go down and take a chalk and mark on the floor and he would say, you don't shoot from anywhere but here. Sure, that makes sense. And so he had these spots on the floor and he's like, you only shoot from here. My job as the coach is to design plays that get you there. Yeah. And I thought that was so incredible. Yeah, that is good. So my job as Sunday school leader and our job as Sunday school leaders is to get people Into that sweet spot. So if, you know, Brother Keech, he always plays our bad guy. Almost always, you know? Yeah. And we have various other villains, sidekicks or whatever, but he is almost, I would say 90% at least, the main bad guy. And that's his sweet spot. He just does really well at it. He's another one that does well in all kinds of different areas. But so we create those areas where he can shine, basically. And the kids love him. Yeah, exactly. And so the same thing with, like I mentioned Brother Brennan earlier, the dunce, we try to create the scripting. We create the sweet spot so that he can say something really funny or do something hilarious, and it fits within the script. And so that's our version of that chalk mark. It's like, okay, you're going to shine in this moment,

SPEAKER_00 16:57

in this spot. And also, both of those guys that you mentioned are good at improvising. So if they don't get to their spot to make that sweet spot shot, they can improvise and still make it happen.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And that's something that we kind of operate. We have, I guess, a medium. We have operated completely improv before. There's been sometimes we haven't had a script. Not very often, but there's been sometimes. And so completely improv. Yeah. And then once in a while, now we typically we run out of time before we run out of material. But once in a while, we have to improv for filler. Like if there's a long altar service or something in church and we have a filler, so we have to do some improv there. But we have a script and it's not a verbatim. It's not dialogue. It's just kind of a- Bullet points. Yeah, it's bullet points. It's kind of a not bare bones. It's kind of like a heavy outline. It's just a little bit more than an outline. And so we do practice and that helps. We do have a practice in the morning. So we were all on the same page figuratively and literally. So we practice and in that practice, even we kind of do like what worked, what didn't work kind of thing. And so, but our Sunday school is built on that improv idea, you know? And so that's another thing with the training that I want to try to implement is I want to do with the training. I don't have it all put together yet. It's mostly float around in my head you know but i want to teach one thing is i want to kind of have some best practices in place for you know discipline bathroom breaks just just some practical stuff but then i also i want to be able to start teaching some of the things about like that like improv you know and here's some methods that we can use i mean we're not going to do a full you know theater class necessarily but you know have some of the the things that we've we've that are kind of tried and true, you know. Yeah, I'm excited for that to happen. Yeah, I think it'll be, I think it's going to be good. Okay, so a couple of the notes here that I have, and this is kind of along the lines of developing that team. We have one, we haven't really, I should have it posted back here. We haven't really referenced it in a while, but we do have a mission statement. I should have had it handy for these notes, but really having a mission statement is, I think it's good, and I think it's important. I think you should have one. But more important, kind of like getting the right people on the bus is just clarifying the vision. You know, what are we trying to do here? And I think, you know, we talk about magic or disaster. I do think that sometimes we've lost sight of that vision by getting too close to it, too close to our work. And so sometimes we can be like, oh, it's about this acting that I'm doing right now. You know, it's about the, oh, we're going to do this funny part. And we love comedy. I mean, we love to make it funny. It engages kids. But that's what we have to remember is why are we doing this funny thing? It's not for the sake of, you know, being funny. And sometimes we'll tell jokes that only the staff get. And I mean, some of that's okay. But, you know, but to remember, you know, what is our purpose here? So if we keep that vision clear of, you know, we're trying to engage kids and we're trying to connect them to God, you

SPEAKER_00 20:29

know, ultimately. Yeah, because we, I mean, we just literally have to remember who our audience is. It's not the staff. I mean, when we throw those funny things in there and it goes over the kid's head, but we're really trying to get the kids to see what happened in the story because that's what our altar call ends up on that whatever lesson we're doing. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Yeah, not to throw him under the bus because he actually mentioned it, I think, on the podcast, but Brother Aaron, a while back, we did Daniel and the Lions did. And it was funny because he said, I can't remember, he referenced something about Tony Robbins because of the walking on coals, you know? Oh, yes. And it was so funny. And the kids don't know. Yeah, the kids have no clue. Even my son, who is like 16 and running the sound, he didn't get it at all. Some of us older ones were laughing. It was really funny. Okay, so while we're talking about clarifying vision, the main place that our vision comes from is our pastor. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So even that is, before he was even pastor, he took that on and decided, hey, we're going to change our Sunday school. So going way back to that, you know, that was his vision. And even now, the things we do, so even way back then, he, you know, had that vision. And so even the things we do now are based on his vision. And so I have sometimes taken a step back and I'll go to him and be like, hey, so either, you know, this is an issue that we have, you know, do you have some ideas or even just not just an issue but just like inspiration you know what what do you what do you think you know direction on ways we should go or I would say that if you have that autonomy like we do in your Sunday school where you're running it and you're just you're going don't be a burden to the pastor but step back and say to your pastor hey just making sure we still on the right track are we still doing this how you want to do it you know and so I think that there's a balance So our pastor, every once in a while, I mean, not very often at all, but every once in a while, he comes up to see what we're doing. He'll come up during practice or something, just surprise us. And then sometimes when we have a guest preacher, sometimes he'll actually come in for Sunday school. That's kind of cool. It's not very often at all, but once in a great while, he'll come in for Sunday school and just kind of check it out. So one of the times he did that a few years ago, he came in and so I asked him for feedback. I asked him for, you know, like critical feedback. And he said it was really good. He loved the dynamic opening. He thought the dynamic opening was great. He's like, I don't see anything that somebody would say, oh, this is not good. So he loved it. But he said, you need mics. He said, I can't hear what you're saying. I didn't know that was his idea. That was his idea. And he said that that is the next thing you do financially. He said, you need mics. And so we now we've been having some issues. But so we have some mics. Some headset mics are kind of like the countryman style. And so if somebody is looking to get mics, now there's a whole bunch out there. And so if you do research, you might find out more than what I know. But we have the ones that are kind of the skin tone color. There we go. And then they're thin, so they're not the big bulky. We don't look like football announcers up there. And we have tried lapel mics a little bit. But we tend to get a lot of feedback with those, it seems like, with where our speakers are placed. So we use Samson. So S-A-M-S-O-N. And I get them from B&H Photo or from Amazon. Now, again, there's all kinds of research you can do. The top of the line are Countryman's, but those are very expensive, around $600. And so these ones, I think, if I remember right, run roughly around $100 each. And so we have six. Well, we have seven, but six. that are kind of working. We had to repair them sometimes. But they've done us pretty well. And then there's some other versions. There's Pile Pro. I haven't really tried those out. I might try those because we do want to get more mics than what we have. But anyway, that's just a practical thing if somebody wants to look for some mics. And if, I don't know, maybe if we find a system and we upgrade, maybe we'll sell ours for cheap to somebody. You can email info at kidmanbackstage.com All right. So anyway, that, that was something that when he came up, he, that was his feedback is he's like, you need mics. And so that was really good feedback. And we, we got mics. And so now it's, you know, I, I push it all the time. Like use your mic, make sure you grab your mic, you know, because I want kids to understand what we're saying, you know, because if they don't understand what's going on, we kind of lose them no matter how dynamic the acting is. If they don't understand it, they're just kind of like,

SPEAKER_00 25:57

whatever. Right. Yeah. You're right about that. I know, you know, occasionally, uh, I'll think my booming voice will be fine. And you know, the kids in the back can't hear very good or they're, you can tell, you can tell by your audience if they can hear you or not. So yeah, I'll do better brother game. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

All right. So a couple other things before we wrap up here is this kind of on, on team morale. So, you know, we have the luxury of having a permanent space, semi-permanent space. We do share it with the school, but we have a backstage that's, it's all Sunday school. It's locked up and it's Sunday school area. So we have a little mini fridge back here. We're backstage right now. I'm looking, brother Aaron donated a Keurig machine. We have snacks. And so my, I think my wife bought some snacks last time for us. And so we got, we, we have, it's nice. You know, we have a backstage, we have chairs back here. Yep. Everybody's, we have guys and girls locker rooms with, with actual lockers where you can hang your costumes or your suit. Got mirrors in there. And we have a costume room itself that my daughter runs. And so it's full of all of our costumes and props and everything. And so a lot of times when people come back, if they're not in Sunday school, they see it for the first time. They're just like, wow. And we are so blessed. We realize we're so blessed. We did not always have this. We used to be quite mobile.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Yeah. Boxes and totes.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then we had to put them away and get them out every week. So there's that... You know, just the team morale around that, having, you know, cool stuff, you know. And then we have so much fun doing our scripts and everything. And then, of course, we, a couple years ago, last year it was a much smaller group, but a couple years ago, a fairly large group of us, I think it was eight of us or something, went down to the Children's Ministry Seminar. Oh, yeah. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, down in Southern California. So that was a, that's a cool thing. I want to do that again. Yeah, that's a treat, actually. And so what that is, if people are just a little plug for that, it's in April. It's the end of April, and it's in Southern California. It's in Redlands, California. Brother Wilmoth's Church is the host church of that. And then if you go, if you search, well, if you go to Brother Booker's website, apostolicsundayschool.com, there probably is information there for that. But it's a Again, it's an end of April, a couple of weeks or a couple of weeks, a couple of days. It's a couple of days. It's like a Friday, Saturday. I think it's the very last weekend of April. And so I'll be there and hopefully some of our staff will be there as well. It'll be a fun trip to do. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah. So along with that morale is momentum. Every time that we start up a new theme, we kind of gain this, you know, we reboost our momentum. People are getting excited. They want to be a part of it. You know, it's like, oh, this is cool. You know, they start getting ideas. Oh, yeah. year. And so every time we do the theme, it creates a spike, you know, in our momentum. And the other way in the past, so I haven't done this in a little while, but the other way is, is creating a focus on one thing like, okay, this theme, we're going to really focus on our music or this thing. We're going to really focus on our acting or, you know, this thing really focus on our costumes. And so those are different ideas, you know, on ways to create that spike, you know, or that renewed interest. Yes. You

SPEAKER_00 29:59

know, one of the, one of the highlights this pirate theme is, you know, occasionally I'll wear my pirate garb down, you know, taking the kids back to the sanctuary. Oh, yes. And Elder Sister Burgess met me at the door and she says, Brother Arter, I just love your blouse. I'm like, it's a pirate shirt. But that's, you know, just one of the funny, funny things that can happen. Yeah. You know, when you're just out, you know, wearing your stuff.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Well, and it's funny, you know, our church is not huge, but it's big enough that there are several several people that have you know and this is maybe to a fault of of not advertising well enough but there's several people in our church that don't have a clue what we do up here right and so they you know we did a fundraiser uh a while back and i had to get some change or something and uh i was still in my my suit for the navy side i have this sunday school suit yes so i have a suit that's um it's like a doodle suit it's pretty crazy what's the main color of that purple or blue or something but yeah I think it's blue but okay but yeah it's got all kinds of doodles it's very busy yeah and then matching so it's pants jacket and matching tie so I ran down and I just kind of forgot what I had you know I was just in a hurry and boy I got all kinds of comments and stuff like whoa I like that suit you know and so yeah a lot of people I remember I remember brother Carlos he came he was in San Francisco for a little bit he just wanted to kind of see what it was about no idea Yeah. He wanted, he asked if he could kind of be a part a little bit. And so, and he was, he was awesome, but he came in and he just kept on saying all this for the kids. He kept on saying that, like, I was like, yeah, we got these costumes. He's like, wow. And then the microphones, oh, we use these, you know, and he kept on all this for the kids. I was like, yeah, he just, it was really neat to see, you know, and he, he loved it, but he was like, he was just so surprised. No idea. Yeah. We had so much. That's awesome. Involved in everything that we were doing and for the kids, you know. So, yeah. All right. Well, just to recap a little bit, you need to have a team. You don't want to try to do it all by yourself. Don't do it by yourself. And, you know, with that, sometimes it's easier in the short term to do it by yourself. You know what I mean? Like, if you're trying to teach your kid how to tie his shoes, it's easier for you to tie them. Yeah. But in the long run, it's so much better if they learn how to tie them. You know, if you take the time and the painstaking time and the frustration to teach Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Anytime you manage people, it's, it's hard. Yeah. To give

SPEAKER_01 33:06

up. And then just how to recruit is, is, you know, do incredible things. You can track, attract incredible people. And if you, you do big things, you attract big people. And I don't mean their size, but I'm talking about, you know, their. I resemble that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about their outlook though. You know, if you, if you do small things, you track small thinking people. If you do big things, you You track the small thinking people too, but then you started tracking big thinking people. Yes. Because they're like, oh, you're doing this big thing. I can, I can help. I can be a part of that. And I'm interested in being a part of it. And then developing, developing your team, just, you know, and like I said, we're going to do that training. And we, it's not that we haven't trained at all. We just haven't done it. It's been like on the job, you know, training, throw them into the fire and, you know, throw them into the deep end. Hope you can swim.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Sure. Yeah. That, That's the truth, you know, in your industry and my industry, you know, as far as safety and compliances, you know, if you don't, if it's not written down, it's not done. It doesn't count. So I'm excited that you're going that way and count me in on the training because we need to know, just like in the outside world, we need some, we need to know how to do it and do it well.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah. And I think, you know, this is not what we're doing it for, but like the liability to, you know, If we do have a situation arise, it helps so much if you have documentation of, well, this is what everybody does. This is what we do and how we do it. And again, that's not why we're doing it, but it will help. It will help. Yeah. But just, you know, we have relationships and we're, you know, friends and we enjoy being around each other.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

And there's accountability, too. Yes. All right. Well, I think that's

SPEAKER_01 35:43

a wrap. Have a good morning.

UNKNOWN 35:54

Oh, wait. Did you want to say something? All right. All right.