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Welcome to another episode, the place where we talk about kids ministry and take a peek behind the scenes. We try to share a little bit of what we've learned that works for us and some of our failures so you can avoid them. We release a new episode every Friday, and this is your Backstage Pass to see the magic or disaster that happens behind the scenes of our kids ministry. I'm your host, Gabe Baker, and today I'm joined by Brother Kyle. How's it going? Good, good. Doing well. All right. I'm glad. I'm excited to have you here. You Want to mention today's topic? Yeah. So today's topic is the executioner. We had to have a hook. So we had to make it sound cool. So many of us in our Sunday schools across the nation, we have original thoughts. You know, something that's never been done before. But because we don't execute, no one knows about our original thoughts. And so that failure to execute, it stifles the production of apostolic materials. In my opinion, apostolics should be leading the charge in Sundays school content. And I think that sometimes we don't feel like we're good enough or we think we're being, quote, humble, and we don't take the initiative. Today's podcast is just as much for me as it is for anyone else. And while we hope to offer some insights and motivation, we do not claim to have it all together. We're struggling just like everybody else. We're a work in progress, right? Yes, exactly. So hopefully we and maybe someone else can find some inspiration to get that project started, the project finished that you've been working on or dreaming about and thinking about so that That's kind of what this is all about today. So I guess started off, write it down. That's one of the things, right? Especially as you get older, right? Yeah. I remember reading a long time ago, I think it might've been John Maxwell. I'm not sure. I read a lot of his stuff, but whoever it was, they said, have a notepad by the side of your bed. And I thought that was, and so, you know, digital age, right? Right. And that was probably a much better idea to have the notepad and pen. This has been a couple of years ago. ago, maybe I woke up in the middle of the night. I had this amazing idea. So I grabbed my phone, wrote some notes, went back to sleep. Didn't say I know I did. I did. But when I read them the next morning, it was like five words. It was a very, very summarized. And to this day, I don't know what I was talking about. Be careful to not sleep in time at the same time.

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It didn't work out too well for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember thinking when I first started kind of wanting to do Bible studies and things like that, or taking notes in church. I used to take notes all the time when I first started church. And then what I noticed was like, Oh, I don't, cause I wanted to get everything I could, I could get, cause you know, I was kind of new to everything. And so, but then I got to the place where I was like, I just feel like I'm not engaged in the service. So I stopped doing that. And there'd be times I'm like, Oh, that's a good idea. I'll remember to write that down later on. And then I'd go home and then I'd be like, what was that? I was thinking earlier. And I forget. So now it's like, I hate to pull my phone out in service, but I do want to make sure that when I have these thoughts and ideas, I put them down right away. And I've heard so many people say it too. It's just like, if you don't put it down now, you will forget. You will forget.

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Yeah. And then you got to review it. Yeah. And I'm bad about that. So I read, I think compared to some people, I read a lot. I read a massive amount. I usually am reading three or four books at a time. And so I read a lot of material and I read fairly, fairly quick. I don't know what my reading speed is, but I have a friend that he reads so slow. I mean, I would finish seven books in the time he would finish one. That's probably me. But his retention is incredible. Yeah. Like, you know, me, I'm like, oh, I remember this one story, you know, and I'm like trying to grasp at the details. I remember the general concept, but I lose, you know, if I'm speaking about it, I lose all the, you know, nice details. And he would have, I wish I had my speed and his, you know, retention. But I think one of my problems with the retention is kind of maybe not even writing it down but just the the idea that i can come back to it later but you never do or i never do

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yeah

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you know rarely and so it's like oh okay well i'm just going to read this right now and i can come back and reference this later well it's should absorb it now

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right yeah i know like i mean we should treat even our regular reading like we would when we read the bible it's like you know you're going to underline in your bible you might take i'm going to use that scripture you put in your phone or write it in your little notepad that you have next to you but when you're reading books and stuff you You got to take those thoughts too. I mean, there's a lot of valuable things when you're reading, especially like you mentioned John Maxwell. And I'm reading a book by Lee Strobel right now, which is The Case for Christ. I'm not sure if you read that one. Yeah, that's a good book. Super, super good. Super fun to read because I'm really into like science and history and things like that, especially coming out of the world where I was at. But yeah, I just find all kinds of good stuff in there. And I make sure like little ideas that come up in my head. I'm like, I'm going to put those down. I want to be able to reference that later on because it's just some good stuff that we're taking from there.

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Yeah. You know, we're not really talking about retention so much. But the other thing is, like you have a Bible study, you're turning around and teaching something. Yeah. It solidifies it in your own mind, you know, even

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more. Well, so much when you, at least when I give a Bible study, I tell the folks, like, this is just as much for me as it is for you. Because when you study it, to teach it, you learn as much as the people are that you're giving it to. And even when you're giving it, you're learning a lot as well, because you're getting feedback.

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Right. Yeah. And then when you have to articulate something... something that requires steps, then now you have to, you know,

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this is a Sunday school too, where it's like, you know, we, we have this idea in mind or you have an idea. It's like, okay, we're going to do this, whatever the idea is. And then you see how it goes over with the crowd and you make notes like, okay, that didn't go so well. What do you do to make it better? Cause we know the content is good because we're getting it all from the Bible.

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Yeah.

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But it's like the reaction wasn't what I was expecting. So how did we deliver it? Right. Right. So that's another thing too. I think for Sunday school is especially is when let's say you're the person like you in charge watching everybody. Right. You can take these notes, which I think is beneficial for you. I'm seeing how the kids react, maybe how the actors are performing and say, okay, how can we make these things better?

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Yeah. And that is true because I am constantly gauging the kids' reaction. If I'm in the back and we have actors up front, I want to know how is it going? You know, how are they doing? And then you write it down. Yes. Yeah. Well, not always, but I should. Well, the writing it down, I guess, to clarify, we're talking about goals. And so there's this acronym, it's been around in the business world forever, but SMART, SMART goals. So it's the letters S-M-A-R-T, specific goals, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time bound. So the specific goals, I think, kind of comes back to what we were just talking about articulating it is, you know, instead of saying, I want to lose weight, you should say, I want to way this much, you know, or something. And so I think that we can apply that in Sunday school, you know, is we want a move of God in our Sunday school. Well, what does that really look like? What, you know, how do we break that down? We can't create the move of God, but what are we talking about when we're talking about a

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goal like that, you know, sort of general terms. Right. And then, you know, goals like, I think I listened to on your podcast recently that you said about when the kids leave here, you know, what are they like when they leave Sunday school? Exactly. That's part of our purpose as well. when they're here it's like that's a goal for us as well because once those kids are 12 years old and they go out into regular big church right that they the reason we do the things that we do here is it's set up yeah we do a lot of the same exact things we do songs we do you know little messages here and there we have a plan of salvation things like that prayer offering do the sword fights just like big church and then we even have altar call just like in big church yeah it's getting them used to that and setting that goal like when this kid leaves leaves here we want them to be set up for success when they go out on the road in the big church you know and you only have so many years to get them exactly

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and if they're not one of our regular attenders if they come on the bus or whatever then we have even less time you know to do that we literally

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have them for that you know hour hour 15 minutes or 45 minutes sometimes depending on how long the preaching is but yeah that's definitely important for sure

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so measurable This can be difficult, I think, in Sunday school. Sometimes there's intangibles. I had written some down a while back and it did include like even include numbers for attendance. But that's really difficult. And I don't think it's wrong. I think it's OK. But it is difficult with anybody that does bus ministry. And we do it on a pretty minor scale compared to some. Our friend, Brother Phil Booker, their church is awesome with bus ministry. You know, with bus ministry, though, your, your attendance can fluctuate drastically, you know, from week to week. And so, but I think being specific, specific and then, and then measurable as much as you can measure something. I mean, if you can't measure it, it's hard to know if you hit the target, right? Maybe it's choosing those goals, like, you know, attendance and you could say, well, above X, you know, right.

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You got to be a little bit realistic. I mean, obviously we both know that nothing's too hard for God, but let's say you live in a town of a thousand people and there's only, you know, a hundred kids and you're usually only ever five in your sunday school you can't say next week i want to have 150 kids in my sunday school right that's more kids than you have in your town so that's not realistic

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yeah and that's the achievable part right yeah that's exactly true is is yeah setting setting something that's achievable realistic that you can really

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do and especially if you're not willing to go out and actually do what's needed to get those kids again man it's like i want to have 100 kids coming to my sunday school but you're not even going out into your community you're not in any kind of outreach at all you're just i'll they're just going to show up. Well, God wants us to do a little bit of work. Yes, exactly.

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Yeah. And so just to finish out that, um, relevant, you know, it should be relevant to Sunday school. Yes. But it should be relevant to, to the mission, you know, to what God wants. Yeah.

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When we have kids in Sunday school, the ultimate goal is to teach them about the word.

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Yes.

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You know, we never know what kind of word they're getting at home. Even if their kids are born and raised in church, we have no idea. And so if we just take the mindset that maybe they're not learning it at all at home and even if they are that's great but if we have that mindset that this is the only word that they're going to get and if you take that mindset and realize how important that is to train a child up in the way that it should go if we have that mindset where it's like you know this is important this isn't just us having fun we have a lot of fun all kinds of crazy stuff get rowdy get crazy and have a good time and joke but there's a lot of important things we do up here and I think we have an important mission that we're trying to accomplish it's not just silliness and I think it recent, at our August services, that move that we had in that Sunday school, I think it was a Friday night. Oh, in our conference service at Children's Church. I think for those that were involved in that particular night, really it brought into perspective to what we can see in our Children's Church. There can be powerful moves of God, even with kids 5, 6, 8, 10 years old. The Holy Ghost can fall in your

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service. The silliness that we do, I mean, I think that really like we have some staff that people would be shocked you know when they see how they act in Sunday school compared to how they are in church but I think that if people can understand the concept is we're trying to grab those kids attention so we can then speak into them sure so time bound a goal without a deadline is just a dream that's good and so I was just helping my little one with his school work and And I found one thing that works with him right now anyway, is I set a timer on my watch. I'd be like, okay, you got five minutes for that page. You're like, what? But then he'll get after it and he beats it almost every time. And so he's getting it done. So it works. It's an effective method for him. We can

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do the same thing with ours and they're older, you know, 10 and 11 years old. It's like, okay, you have one hour. You get as much paces done in one hour as you possibly can. And let's just see how much you can get done. And we'll tell them that They'll ask, how much time is left on my timer? Because they'll ask Alexa. Yeah, it's motivating. I'm like, oh my goodness, I can't get done. So, it just gives them something to look forward to. That end goal, like you said, setting an actual achievable goal in an actual specific amount of time. I'm very bad at that. So, it's like... Me too. I just, okay, this is what I want to do. And I'm just going to work on it as much as I can when I can.

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Someday, yeah. Yeah. And that's, I wrote a note there, Parkinson's law. I don't know if you've heard of that. It's not the same as the disease. But it's, I think it's spelled the same. Parkinson Law is, I can't remember, I can't quote it verbatim, but it's basically that a task will fill up the time that it's given. So, if you do have a deadline, so think back to if you had any college assignments or anything, due dates, right? So, I have two kids in college right now. The deadline for a lot of these assignments is midnight on Sunday, Sunday night. So, guess what we're doing after church Sunday night very much of the time in my house? Just getting started on that. Yes. So it's, yeah, it's the same as procrastinating, but yeah. So Parkinson's law is, is that a task will fill up the time that you, that you give it. And so it's important to have a deadline, I think, to, to actually get something done. Yeah, for sure. Actually, if you

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don't, you just keep putting it off.

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Right. Yep. Yeah. Like, or you, you get do a little bit and you feel really accomplished. And so you're like, okay, I got a little bit done on that. I wrote a sentence down and I need to write five pages. I feel good. I'm going to go have a lunch. Yeah. And then I, think one thing that's this is really this is the part that's for me okay this is the this is the part that's for me is i wrote a note about paralysis by analysis perfection is overrated i am really bad about this i want things to be just right and then produce it on a silver platter and here it is it's all done everything's perfect it it stops me i'll be honest it stops me from getting a lot of things done that would have been done way sooner

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yeah i mean i I think to some degree it can hold people back if you're being too much of a perfectionist, but you still want to do things with excellence. You know, the Bible talks about, you know, whatever you do in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord. And so we want to do things that represent God. Well, we're going to do things halfway and things like that. But there is a point where it's like, it's too perfect. It's like,

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yeah, it

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doesn't have to be that in square. Like if it's, you know, like a quarter of a bubble off, you're probably okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. And I've, I've, um, I've done some like video editing and stuff and, and, and watch different courses on it. And that's one of the things like with anything, let's say, I guess anything artistic like that is you can, you can never be done. You can just keep on polishing. You can keep on like, Oh, let's, let's add this a little bit here. Let's cut this. Let's snip this. And so there is a point somewhere where you have to be like, okay, let's ship it. It's done. It's

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got to go. If you don't, it's like, you look back and like, man, I restarted that basically like 50 times. Cause I just kept, changing it, kept changing it. And by the time I got to the very end, it's not even close to resembling what it did when I first started.

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Yeah. Well, here's an example. We're breaking the fourth wall. We talked about that in another podcast. Here's an example is I have been meaning to get this podcast started forever. Yeah. Me and brother Philip Booker did a podcast here when he was here for his podcast and he hadn't published in a while. So I was giving him a bad time. And so he committed right then and there on, on air, he committed to Like I'm going to do the next one by X date. So, and so I, I committed, I was like, okay. And I said, September 15th. Well, I was late, but here we are. We got it. We did get it going, but here's one of the things in, in light of what we're talking about, about the perfection is we don't have the equipment. So we're, we're using a borrowed microphone right now. And it's just one. We don't each have a mic. So this is where we're breaking the fourth wall. Now everybody's going to be paying attention to the audio quality, but we don't have the equipment. We're, we're, plugged into a computer which is probably not ideal and we're our uh this is appropriate because it's called kidman backstage but we are backstage yeah and we do have some polysorb foam panels back here but they're just back here because they were already here right that's not fully soundproof that's not fully soundproof there's a window right here so we weren't ready and that was kind of my underlying you see i didn't articulate it but that was kind of my excuse for a find that I was like you know what I need to do this now I need to start I'm just gonna figure something that we got I mean when brother Booker and I recorded we used the Sunday school mics the little headset mics so I was like we can do something yeah and so we just we got started

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that's what I think some people don't realize is they keep waiting for things to just get right and it's like you just need to get started if you're in a place at a church that maybe doesn't have a Sunday school like we do or they don't do anything close to it maybe it's just like old church Sunday school where kids kind of come into a room they color and do a little art project and maybe somebody reads them a story or something but you have an idea like I'd like to do something more where we're having actors and things like that right it's like just do it like what's holding you back you don't have to have all like we have now I mean at one time we had the lunchroom downstairs at the church and the kitchen and you would set up on Saturday night right and I'm not talking like little stuff I mean, big extravagant sets on Saturday night. It was major, yeah. The wee hours of the morning probably. And then after Sunday morning service, you were tearing down. Tearing down every week. Every week. For many years. Yeah, a long time. And so just because you may not have the ideal space, like just find a space that you have available to you in your church and just say, I'm going to use this space.

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Yeah.

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And just start it. Don't wait for it to be perfect because it may never be

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100% perfect. It's never going to be perfect. So I think this might be a good time. I wanted to bring up, you wrote a book. Bible plan of salvation book and actually got it published on Amazon and then you just did a Spanish one I did so talk to me

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about that a little bit yeah trying to go too long because obviously I don't have so much time but I've been teaching Bible studies for a while only been in church about 12 years but do a lot of one-on-ones and then I've had large group Bible studies and this year I took over for brother Brian's Bible study in March so we do every Tuesday night at my house usually a Wow. was the truth in every way I possibly could. And so I just have a different perspective than maybe some people do. Coming from that background, I was like, I just want to put something out there. I feel like there's not enough content that we put out there as apostolics. We shouldn't be ashamed of what we believe. Absolutely. And so I'm not a book writer. In fact, English is probably my worst subject in school. Most of the time on my English papers, the teacher would say A quality content, but because of grammar and punctuation, you'd get like a C because I was just so bad at spelling and punctuation. And so I talked to the pastor about it and just started putting it together. I'd had most of these Bible studies kind of in four parts about baptism and repentance and receiving the Holy Ghost all separated. And I kind of put them all together into one, kind of came up with the idea of having where you could write notes on here. So there's actually blank pages next to it so that people can take notes as they're either going along and learning it or teaching it. That's That's good. And edited it all myself and did all the cover, did everything that's in here. I did 100%. I didn't have anybody helping me out. And I just relied on Microsoft Word to make sure the spell check is good. And I put it out there. So this is not what the original looked like. I think I'm trying to remember when I actually put it out. It was probably late last year or maybe early this year. It's gone through several edits.

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Well, and that goes to another point is ship it, get it out there, and then polish it up after you get going.

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I will say, uh, I want to just recently we had brother Wilson at our church and everybody in Pentecost, brother Wilson is, and pastor had told me a few months ago, he's like to start, you know, getting, get this out to maybe pastors or people you see just handing out to him or talk to him about it. I was like, who better to talk to you about it than brother Wilson. Right. And so I handed to him, just kind of talk a little bit about what I was doing. He's like, Oh, this is great. You know, fantastic. And then, uh, it was on the Sunday that I gave him to that, that, that book. And then Tuesday, Your dad calls me and I'd given him a copy. And I said, he's like, Hey brothers, no, this is great. I just was reading through it. It's so great that you did this. I've always thought about doing, we had a little conversation. He's like, here's a few things I noticed. And he's like, this is how I teach that. And I was like, Oh, that's, that's nice. Cause we all kind of have a different way of teaching this, this biblical pen of salvation. So there was one thing I noticed that kind of, I stepped my toe on and he says, turn the page such and such. And we went there and there was a, an error. I was talking about Acts chapter two. And I said that the Gentiles, had received the Holy Ghost and they were speaking in other tongues when actually it's the Jews and he's like yeah it's supposed to be the Jews not the Gentiles and there was a long pause and it just like hit me I said I just talked to the most influential man in all of Pentecost and gave him this book and there's this huge mistake in there that probably makes me look like a total idiot and I'm like oh no I texted my wife I'm like you would not believe what happened I was like I just did this and then it's just but the thing is and I talked to Pastor a little bit about it it's just getting out there and making yourself a little bit vulnerable and realizing we're not going to be perfect. We're going to make a little bit of mistakes, just like we do here at Sunday school. We might mess up one week, you know, it might be reciting a scripture and get the word wrong. And when a kid in the crowd knows the scripture better than you do or something, he says, no, it's supposed to be this. And you're like, oops. Yeah, you're good. You know what I mean? Just checking to see if you knew it. Don't be afraid to put it out. And I think that's one thing that has really gotten a hold of me recently is the Bible says that we are not to be ashamed of the gospels.

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Right.

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It's in Romans 1.16. I actually put down some notes or some scriptures. For I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of salvation. So it's what gets people saved. Somebody said recently that if you're not willing to share the gospel with somebody in whatever form, whether it be Sunday school or through a Bible study or outreach or something like that, it's almost like a doctor that has to tell somebody they have a terminal disease. And they sit there in the office and have to tell them, hey, you know, you have this disease and you're going to pass away. And they have the antidote or the cure for that disease. Yeah. their pocket and they let that person walk out of that room and not give them the cure for that disease. That's what it's like if we're not willing to share what we have and what we believe because we know that

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it can save somebody's soul. And we've done that in I don't know if you've been a part of that we've done it twice I think but we've done that story in Sunday School. We have this example of the doctors which we'll talk about in another episode our doctors are legendary but our Sunday School doctors have this antidote and they're selling Celebrating and cheering and just going crazy. And the analogy is worship and praising God. But then there's somebody huddled up over there with the disease that they have the antidote to. And they just, you know, just praise all about it and cheer and they leave that person. So how

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do people get this book? It's on Amazon. Probably the easiest way to find it is actually searching my name. So that's Kyle Ringheisen. That's K-Y-L-E-R-I-N-G-E. E-I-S-E-N. If you type that in the search bar on Amazon, it'll bring up both the English and the Spanish version. If you would like to order large quantities, like maybe let's say there's a pastor out there that wants to use it for his congregation. I've told a pastor recently, I'd be willing to do a little bit cheaper at $6.99 on Amazon. I'm not trying to make money off of anything. I was trying to get as cheap as I possibly can. But if you'd like to purchase large quantities, I'd be willing to do a better deal than that. If you want to just get a hold of me via our website at jmpc.org and just put cow in the title or something like

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that.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

You can also email this podcast info at kidmenbackstage.com. Yeah, just let me know if you'd like to order large quantities. I'd be happy to get that out. I mean, I just feel like it's so important to get the message out there. And the Spanish one, I really feel like in Pentecost right now, there's a massive move in the Spanish community. And I feel like we're in the midst of a Spanish, I mean, in our areas specifically for sure, but there's other areas of Spanish where But I feel it's important that we get out into those communities as well. So I don't speak Spanish. I'm not very great at it. I actually use Microsoft Word to translate it into Spanish as well. And I actually do that. And then I just had a Spanish speaker proofread to make sure that it was translated properly and there wasn't anything weird in there. But yeah.

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You know, I think all of this ties together and hopefully people could see how this ties into Sunday School. But we have so many excuses. And the other thing I wanted to mention too is about momentum I wrote a note the more you get done the more you get done because you have momentum when you get a project done now you're like I mean think of something as simple as a to-do list yeah when you knock that first one out it's like snowball effect right you're like oh man let's get

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this next one let's get this next one where you get that excitement of achieving a goal and it's like oh man I was able to get that done yeah what else can I do it's setting those goals achieving those goals and that will encourage you to go to achieve other goals Yep. And so it's just important to continue to set those goals and actually like work towards getting them done because that'll help you get more and more and more. Yeah. Get that momentum, get the ball rolling.

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My, uh, one of them, another one of my favorite quotes is motivation is a byproduct of doing. So you get motivated. Don't wait to get motivated. Just do something and then you'll get motivated.

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Yeah. And I actually wrote a note I wanted to mention before we were done is that, you know, for so many years, I think apostolics just used what Sunday school content was available out there. I remember growing up, we had vacation Bible school and I was in a denominal churches and things like that. And I think we were just grabbing it because that's all that's out there. Right. But we would never preach a message that they preach at a denominal church in our church. So why are we using that church's content? Yeah. We have to modify it all the time to use it. And we probably just shouldn't be using it in the first place. We just use our own stuff. That's like when I read my kids a book that has a Bible story in it, I'm reading them like all that as I reading, I'm like, that's not right. They have no idea. Yeah. Change it on the fly. Change it on the fly. So as apostolics, we need to put this content out there. So that way we have it out there that the truth is out there that other apostolics can use it. That way we don't have to use this denominal church content as a crutch because I mean, we're modifying it so much anyways, might as well just make our own. Think about, well, I don't know where to even start. I don't know where to go to create this stuff. Just type it up on your own computer or it doesn't necessarily have to be for everybody else. If you want to get to that place, you can. There's tons of avenues out there you can contact. I know Brother Gabe had this podcast, Brother Booker had his podcast. One thing

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that you brought up I wanted to mention, I didn't really think of this perspective, but I've always thought about, I would like to see more apostolic content out there for apostolics to use, like we talked about. But I didn't think about it from the perspective that you just mentioned. You weren't going to an apostolic church you weren't really a church person at all but you guys were trying to look for VBS material or whatever and everything that's out there or most everything that's out there is not apostolic but what if we were the premier resource so then a person that's Baptist or whatever is reaching for material and they're coming across all this apostolic content right that would be awesome

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that's the way to spread the truth right there yes in every way we can you know whether it be at the children's church level to Bible studies, to books, to podcasts and music. I mean, the truth is so powerful and we want everybody to have the truth and we should be putting it out there for everybody to absorb as much as possible. Yes. Be the premier content. For sure. Be the premier content.

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Well, I want to kind of wrap this up with, I have a note here that says embrace the critics. I got a lot of favorite quotes, but this is one of pastor's favorite quotes. And it comes from Theodore Roosevelt. It's long, but I'm going to read it. It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually That's good. That's good. That's good. doing something there's always going to be critics and I've learned to actually welcome it I have learned to welcome negative feedback even now it can sting and especially if it's not constructive if somebody's just complaining about it and I get that a lot because I seem to be out front of things often and so you know it's funny and when we started this podcast I've already heard. I've heard a lot of positive feedback. Don't get me wrong, but I've already heard things. I left the first review. I just want. Okay.

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So embrace the critics. They're going to be out there and you shouldn't not do it just because of them. You know, when I, that I'll be honest, when I was first thinking of the idea of putting this Bible study book together, that was a thought process I had. Like I'm worried about maybe somebody who's really deep, a theologian in the Baptist church or the Catholic church or whoever Yeah.

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And how many ever

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lives might be impacted. Like there's been times where like, this is going to be the best we've ever had. And then it just like tanked and you're just like, man, I just wasted all my time, months of putting all these sets together. And I wrote the script and all these hours of my family and then it just did nothing. And it's like, if you just beat yourself up like that all the time. Yeah. To shake it off and move on and always look to try to get better.

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Yeah. All right. Well, just to recap, if you've stuck with us this long, basically set goals, you got to write them down, make some deadlines for them. And then what we we've kind of been talking about over and over. It does not have to be perfect. Just get it shipped, using air quotes here, but get it shipped. Get it out there. Get it out there and get some momentum. That right there will give you momentum. And then don't make excuses like I was about starting this podcast. Just stop making excuses. I'm too busy. I need better equipment. We're all busy. None of us have the money or the equipment. Let's just make it happen and then embrace the critics. You're not really doing it for them anymore. Nope. You're doing it for the ones that really want to listen. All right. Well, I hope somebody got some value out of this. I really appreciate you coming in. It's been fun. Yeah. I think that's a wrap. All right.